<div dir="ltr">thank you for your response murat!!<div> <div><div>For me the most 'utopian' experience I have as an art viewer is the one where I am manipulated into seeing new relationships between forms, materials, categories, languages, etc. And hopefully in ways that trickle (directly or not) into my understanding of the mechanics of some part of culture or society. Hopefully defamiliarizing my relation to what it means to communicate, create, and participate in the social world around me. In my art-viewing (or anything-viewing) experience, this is the broadest possible meaning of the political.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Just the act of presenting something as an artwork (a stone, a found video, a painting) </div><div><br></div><div>I often think of the experience of looking at artwork to be centered around manipulation. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:08 PM Murat Nemet-Nejat <<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div dir="ltr">Hi Daniel, <div><br></div><div>A found tape also was manipulated when it was made. When we make a sentence, we manipulate words. To make a word we manipulate sounds. Film, video, photography are language. Languages occur through manipulation. For instance, we don't know what stones are saying, feeling, thinking (or if they are doing any of this) because we do not experience <u>their</u> manipulation. It is extremely passive --a state you seem to find utopian. Lack of manipulation by one does not liberate that person or animal or thing from manipulation, just makes it susceptible to manipulation by others. In my view, what is more crucial, an awareness, watchfulness of who is doing the manipulation, the processes by which it comes about (in a film or a photograph or a piece of art or in a politician or in a discussion like here) and make sure that every/multiple forces can enter it. In other words, in my view, what is crucial, realistically utopian,so to speak, is to prevent manipulation to create closed systems.</div><div><br></div><div>Ciao,</div><div>Murat </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Aviva Rahmani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ghostnets@ghostnets.com" target="_blank">ghostnets@ghostnets.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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