<div dir="ltr">So enough about me. <div><br></div><div>This is sort of how it works in my trans girl world: i have a big sister and she has a big sister</div><div><br></div><div>-- but the big sister of us all is Sandy Stone. And i just want to sit at her (virtual feet).</div><div><br></div><div>So Sandy: </div><div>how has your thinking changed, or not, since The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttranssexual Manifesto?</div><div><br></div><div>what do you think about the internet-spawned trans culture that sprang up, maybe mostly via tumblr?</div><div><br></div><div>can you tell me a it about ageing? I just turned 58 and am already a middle aged woman... </div><div><br></div><div>do you find resonances between the techniques for our bodies and for our ears? Sound and body technics?</div><div><br></div><div>oh i have so much more, but just for a start... </div><div><br></div><div>M</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM warkk <<a href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Thanks for those references. I don’t know that documentary. In the overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans, are experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic experiments. Trans ppl don’t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional in that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The right to be ordinary is also an important one. M</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <<a href="mailto:iarvers@gmail.com" target="_blank">iarvers@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Hello everyone,</font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">I so much agree with what has just been said;)</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is in Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our body is our own territory of experimentation;)</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a baby,</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Cheers</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Isabelle</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br clear="all"></font><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-1156936478830124165m_8419259462535773494gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><a href="http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif" target="_blank"><img alt="http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif" src="http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif"></a><br>Isabelle Arvers<br>Curator, art critic and artist<br>Wattsap: +33 661 998 386<br><a href="http://www.isabellearvers.com" target="_blank">http://www.isabellearvers.com</a><br>Director of Kareron<a href="http://www.kareron.com" target="_blank"> www.kareron.com</a></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour</a><br>twitter: @zabarvers</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><a href="http://instagram.com/zabarvers" target="_blank">instagram.com/zabarvers</a><br><a href="http://youtube.com/zabarvers" target="_blank">youtube.com/zabarvers</a><br><a href="https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers</a><br>Skype ID: iarvers</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 à 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <<a href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</font><div dir="auto"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Hi everyone,</font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can’t recall ever posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">I’m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I’ve found people who are trans* in every city I’ve lived in via social media as a way to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now Facebook. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if you might be family. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">What else can I say? I’m grateful for this moment.<br><br></font><div id="gmail-m_-1156936478830124165m_8419259462535773494gmail-m_-9157251507398151978AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br>On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></font></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</font></span></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."</font><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was clinging on to masculinity by a thread. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">"The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for Nazis. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on twitter. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><a href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">-- in which Sandy became big sister to us all. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all call ourselves transsexuals again. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">But then one of themes is change, right?</font></div></div></div><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="arial, sans-serif" color="#000000">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing, and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I thought that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn’t. Roads not taken, ships that pass in the night…<br>
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At any rate, we’re here now, and it’s a great pleasure.<br>
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Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
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Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist. J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle — literally… all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind her. A woman has given birth to a cow’s head. We’re all busy slouching toward our particular Bethlehem. What’s not to like?<br>
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I’ll say something about change that’s more related to this thread later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.<br>
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Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
Drive-by Theoretician<br>
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Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
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<strong>Professor of Media and Culture</strong><br>
<span style="color:rgb(232,46,33)">EUGENE LANG COLLEGE</span><br>
<span>65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011</span></p><p style="font-family:arial;font-size:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102);padding:10px 0px 0px 5px;margin:0px">
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