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</head><body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Hi folks, One last gasp
before Shulea shoos me back into my cave. This has been a delightful
week. Thanks so much, tack så mycket, merci beaucoup, bitte schoen,
tusen takk,<span class="wlv-item__word js-wlv-word" lang="fi"> kiitos
paljon! </span><span class="wlv-item__word js-wlv-word" lang="fi">Olen
oppinut niin paljon sinun ansiostasi. I've learned a lot from your
posts. Melinda, Thibauld says hello to Eno. I wish I were Thibauld's
human, but alas, I'm just visiting, and Thibauld has accorded me the
honor of a long bump-and-purr. Simon, yes, languages of the body are
languages in which we live, and perhaps the gesture to the <span
style="font-style: italic;">point in depth</span> is the originary
utterance from which we articulate new languages of motion and surface
along axes not yet explored -- what Moholy-Nagy hinted at in his
references to the deleted scenes of <span style="font-style: italic;">Things
To Come</span> -- gestures which intrinsically resist representation.
Rian, thank you so much for speaking part of your own story.<br>
<br>
I apologize for leaving people out... before the last two or three
posts, I was not receiving the list mailings, and participated by virtue
of Shulea's graciously re-mailing everything to me, in the process of
which who sent what to whom became a bit vague. It's wonderful to read
the thoughts of so many sharp, articulate theoreticians... makes me
think "Jeez, with so many clear strong voices, I can get out of this
business. Pack a bindle, stand out on the highway with my thumb out and
see who stops to pick me up." What theories wait beyond the sunset?<br>
<br>
</span>Bye,<br>
Sandy<br>
<br>
p.s. Sorry I never had time to look up the references I needed to talk
about specifics vis-a-vis babytrans people saying stuff I thought was a
bit too out there. Maybe later. Coming soon, to a dimension near you.<br>
<br>
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<span>melinda rackham wrote on 9/14/19 7:26 PM:</span><br>
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charset=utf-8"><div dir="ltr"><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><br>Hi <span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Elæ</span>, Jaimes,
McKenzie and Sandy,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Greetings on a wintery
morning in Carlton with a black Abyssinian named Eno on my lap. As
someone who could never perform my assigned gender with any great
enthusiasm, I thank you</span> all for your generous texts. </div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I wanted to share a few things here:</div><div
dir="ltr">firstly I am currently writing a book with CoUNTess a<span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">ka Elvis
Richardson, looking at the asymmetry of gendered success</span> in the
arts, which becomes very complex when one quantifies the disadvantages
in status, economics and legacy of being other than white cis male.
One of the CoUNTess outcomes after a decade of work is to commission
along with with NAVA:</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><em
style="box-sizing: border-box;">“CLEAR EXPECTATIONS: Guidelines for
institutions, galleries and curators working with trans, non-binary and
gender diverse artists in Australia</em> - a new resource of best
practice for the contemporary arts written by artists Spence Messih and
Archie Barry.</span></div><p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 10px
0px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">NAVA
urges the sector to take the time to read through this resource with
your collaborators, colleagues, board and staff and let’s make sure the
contemporary arts sector is respectful, safe and welcoming for all
trans, non-binary and gender diverse people.”</span></p><div dir="ltr"><div
dir="ltr"><a
href="https://visualarts.net.au/media/uploads/files/Clear_Expectations_Guidlines_FA_Digital.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://visualarts.net.au/media/uploads/files/Clear_Expectations_Guidlines_FA_Digital.pdf</a></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The
second is the perspective of transitioning bodies entangled in theory-
and I’m thinking Quinn Eades poetic voice would enrich this polylogue.</span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">“Dr
Quinn Eades is a researcher, writer, and award-winning poet whose work
lies at the nexus of feminist and queer theories of the body,
autobiography, and philosophy. Eades is published nationally and
internationally, and is the author of all the beginnings: a queer
autobiography of the body, and Rallying. Eades is a Lecturer in Core
Interdisciplinary Studies at La Trobe, as well as the founding editor of
Australia's only interdisciplinary, peer reviewed, gender, sexuality
and diversity studies journal, Writing from Below. He is currently
working on a book-length collection of autobiographical fragments from
the transitioning body titled Transpositions.”</span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div
dir="ltr"><a href="https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/qeades"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/qeades</a></div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And thirdly
in my long association with feminism, gender abolition has always about
power relations - here is the Xenofem take on it : </div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">“Xenofeminism is gender-abolitionist. 'Gender
abolitionism' is not code for the eradication of what are currently
considered 'gendered' traits from the human population. Under
patriarchy, such a project could only spell disaster–the notion of what
is 'gendered' sticks disproportionately to the feminine. But even if
this balance were redressed, we have no interest in seeing the sexuate
diversity of the world reduced. Let a hundred sexes bloom! </span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">'Gender
abolitionism' is shorthand for the ambition to construct a society
where traits currently assembled under the rubric of gender, no longer
furnish a grid for the asymmetric operation of power.</span></div><div
dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> We
need new affordances of perception and action unblinkered by naturalised
identities. In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a
refuge of injustice, or a basis for any political justification
whatsoever!</span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
0);"> </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span
style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">If nature is unjust,
change nature!”</span></div><div dir="ltr"><a
href="https://www.laboriacuboniks.net/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.laboriacuboniks.net/</a></div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:
rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr">warm regards <div><span
style="font-size: 13pt;">Melinda </span></div></div><br><br><div
dir="ltr" id="AppleMailSignature">warm regards <div><span
style="font-size: 13pt;">Melinda </span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>Begin
forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b>
warkk <<a href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>><br><b>Date:</b>
14 September 2019 at 11:28:30 pm AEST<br><b>To:</b> soft_skinned_space
<<a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a>><br><b>Subject:</b>
<b>Re: [-empyre-] situated body / situated practices: speculative
gender disruptor mechanisms</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> soft_skinned_space
<<a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a>><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>----------empyre- soft-skinned
space----------------------</span></div></blockquote><blockquote
type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Yes, "gender
abolition" gets thrown at trans ppl by transphobic feminists a lot. Even
though they don't quite seem to believe in it themselves. <div><br></div><div>I
think it has to mean the abolition of compulsory, fixed and
hierarchical gender. </div><div><br></div><div>At present, its very hard
to:</div><div><br></div><div>-- change a gender assigned at birth</div><div>--
live outside the gender binary</div><div>-- mix element assigned to the
two genders</div><div>-- change the meaning of those elements</div><div>--
refuse the hierarchy between genders</div><div>-- inhabit other genders
altogether</div><div><br></div><div>To me, gender abolition means the
freedom to do all those things. Including the freedom to lean in pretty
hard to attributes of a binary gender if you want or need to.</div><div><br></div><div>A
lot, probably most, trans ppl really *need* to embody a gender other
than the one assigned at birth because they are dysphoric. Their (our,
my) gender feels wrong and is debilitating. In my case, performing
masculinity just seemed like drag. Like acting. I was not very good at
it. I was playful with it sometimes, and that helped, but in the end it
wasn't enough. I had to get out (and should have got out sooner). </div><div><br></div><div>I
felt like i'd rather perform femininity badly than masculinity badly,
as being a woman in public, in all of my life, at least felt right to me
even if it doesn't to a lot of the ppl i intreract with every....
single.... day. </div><div><br></div><div>Its a very rapid education.
TBH i wonder why cis ppl think they can lecture me about gender as if
they are experts when they have only ever been one of them. I really
felt the need of the company, support, friendship and love of other
transsexual women because nobody else really seems to get what it is we
perceive. I really felt the need to find and study our art and
literature partly to help me but partly because, on a good day, i think
that work is revolutionary. </div><div><br></div><div>I started writing
about it. First installment is here: <a
href="https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282888/femme-as-in-fuck-you/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282888/femme-as-in-fuck-you/</a></div><div><br></div><div>So
when we say "gender abolition," can it please mean an end to the
coercive system about which gender you have to be in, what it is
supposed to do, and whether its supposed to be the dominant or
submissive one. Let's abolish all of that. I don't think we can even
know what a gender can be until we do. Gender can be play, but also
desire. It can be a thing a body desperately needs and will do anything
for -- if it doesn't get to be it. That's not playful at all. But a
world in which gender is *in play* helps those with strong desires to be
a gender other than the one's currently considered 'lawful.'</div><div><br></div><div>M</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 13,
2019 at 10:44 PM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<a
href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
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soft-skinned space----------------------<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi folks,
thanks for your insightful engagement. I have to take things a bit out
of the order in which they’re being posted because I’m on the move today
and can’t take time to track everyone. I just wanted to make one
comment, for better or worse. In regard to thoughts about an eventual
diminishment or disappearance of gender: IMHO gender is never going to
disappear. If, for some reason, someone managed to abolish gender,
someone else would recreate it immediately. We experience gender within
systems of power so vile and perverse that it can be difficult to
understand what it is or what it’s for. One of the great things that
queer culture brought to the table was the concept of gender as fun, and
gender is massively imbricated in complex webs of interpersonal
expressions of emotion, aesthetics, philosophy, power, and a host of
other things that exceed the ontic frame of representation that capital,
religion, and custom impose… the point being: don’t eliminate, expand.
Let’s play.<div><br></div><div>Sandy<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote
type="cite"><div>On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Elæ [Lynne
DeSilva-Johnson] <<a href="mailto:lynne@theoperatingsystem.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lynne@theoperatingsystem.org</a>>
wrote:</div><br
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dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear softly skinned humans-in-space:</div><div
dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Thank you, McKenzie, James, Sandy, Isabelle,
for your thoughts and reflections so far. If I wait too much longer to
respond with thoughts it'll become an essay, too long for this medium.
and thanks, Shu Lea, for inviting my response -- </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div
dir="ltr">hmmmmm -- um, can I begin by requesting please that I be
brought along to the next trans-centric rave in the bowels of Brooklyn.
tho now this makes me consider, immediately, those spaces which have
been permissive of my fluidity, and those which have not -- in body, in
interpersonal acknowledgement, and in other ways. dance spaces have
often felt over sexualized as well as alcohol and drug centric, so
unfortunately less safe than I'd like, but I think part of that for me
is my possession of an overly sexualized, femme body--and perhaps it's
age. the younger queer and trans folks seem to be building more of these
safe spaces, and for so many the relationship to languaging and
presenting themselves is so markedly different, growing up as digital
natives with so much more visible content accessible. certainly not
suggesting it's "easy" -- no blanket statements -- but definitely
different... I have college freshmen who started watching drag race at 9
years old. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>recently, my scholarly
considerations of my body's positionality have, via my own experience as
an often chronically ill, usually precarious nonbinary queer person,
become inextricably intertwined with questions of the disabled, mad, and
traumatized body in space, and perhaps more broadly the Othered body:
where, per Ahmed, does this body face undue risk and find it necessary
to follow "straight lines," even performatively, in order to remain even
tangentially in receipt of whatever privilege might be available
through passing? where does it feel dangerous vis-a-vis social capital
or other considerations to continually correct others who repeatedly
misgender me? this can be similar to the experience of being disabled or
ill -- how and where and when does it feel dangerous or harmful to the
self to voice needs of the body not considered within architecture /
socio-cultural structures that assume an abled-body? or an otherwise
Othered condition? </div><div><br></div><div>the extent to which my
degrees of outness as a genderfluid / gender-expansive person, to
different communities and in different spaces, has been visible or made
central to my story has always been in conversation with these other
vectors. I would be curious (and this is on my mind in particular having
just been in the EU) to compare the extent to which the sort of
bioprecarity which is a daily reality for many queer / trans / nonbinary
people here in the US changes the ways in which we interface with its
visibility/risk, especially for those alienated from family, or
otherwise outside of a supportive partnership, without insurance or
underinsured, etc; how might this differ from the ways a less precarious
body experiences the public possibilities for their gender?</div><div><br></div><div>for
me, the binary has always been troubling and a confusing space. to be
honest, the <i>body</i> has always been a troubling and confusing space,
since my relationship to it has always been instinctively and then more
deeply believed / theorized as a vessel/set of materials within which a
transtemporal consciousness experiences itself -- "gender" has always
felt reductive and overly simplistic, a construct of if not a delimited
human imagination then, more accurately, of the direction that
patriarchy and capital has moved our bodies--since indigenous peoples
often included additional gender categories and often considered persons
with this fluidity to be passing more easily between the human and
spirit realms -- indeed, to even talk about other cultures as having a
'third gender' is in itself overly simplistic because it starts with an
understanding of gender as binary, adding on, rather than recognizing
that the perception of the self that an entirely different worldview
wherein this isn't a fixed element offers is entirely unimaginable
coming from a binary framework.</div><div><br></div><div>it has been
through my own processing of trauma and working myself out of the
scarcity programming of my institutional conditions that it has begun to
feel not only safer (usually) as well as necessary and critically
important to hold space for myself as as nonbinary / gender fluid
person, and to center this visibility as part of my creative and
scholarly practice. I've been thinking a lot as someone who built a
queer family outside of legal visibility (my daughter has two gay dads
and me, but on paper I am "not a parent," beaus there is no room for us
all, legally) how for many of us precarity and trauma has been a major
driver in the queer and trans community's move towards prioritizing
marriage as a lobby issue (here in the US in recent decades), away from
the more expansive, radical activism around the establishment of other
family and household structures. instead, commons-centric possibilities
for change, a la Haraway's "make kin not babies," (which to be frank is
increasingly something we should be moving towards in this time of
climate crisis and delimited resources, and underwhelming
infrastructures of care) for many seem only available to a few,
something the traumatized queer or trans body often avoids as unsafe
terrain to chance.</div><div><br></div><div>recently, as part of further
work on how we can hack bodies somatically under the subconscious
control of trauma I've been working on a number of "disruptor
mechanisms," and considering in particular for our purposes the role of
speculative language in rewiring our perceptions of our
possibilities--embodied consciousness ultimately ruling over cognitive
logic, despite our efforts. what might be shifted for us, if in lieu of
immediate availability of infrastructural change, we make a concerted
effort not only as queer, trans, and nonbinary folk to agentively be
more active in our use of language that in all our usage rejects the
notion of a binary entirely? </div><div><br></div><div>which means, in
our daily practice, working with AFAB or AMAB (assigned F/M at birth) as
a way of talking about even children, considering not gendering our
children in their early years, being careful not to language
reproductive health or menstruation or menopause as "women's" issues,
not to assume that all women or men or anyone has specific body parts,
and moving towards the adoption of a wider range of available language
in how we refer to ourselves and others. </div><div><br></div><div>hmm,
this is getting long, but it's something I've been working on a lot the
last few years -- in fact, this became the root thinking for my
forthcoming essay for the Transgender Narratives anthology, "<span style="font-family:Arial;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Par, Muddy, Sibter, Nibling, and Sprog : </span><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Languaging</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap"> a Future for </span><span style="font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Lovepersons", where I consider explicitly how language reproduces</span><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> these conditions keeping us from more expansive kinship structures, but then through speculative language adoption how working with it on a daily basis might provide a “soft” opening to facilitating these changes, both on the page and in practice.</span></font></span></div><div><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">
</span></font></span></div><div><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">of course, there's nothing soft about how it feels to get misgendered, but this too is nonbinary: addressing and holding space for the reprogramming required for the fearful to admit the possibility of there being no gender, more genders, etc (and what that means for their sense of self), alongside the desire for our rights to be seen and acknowledged and not endangered for presenting and verbalizing their identity. both, and. </span></font></span></div><div><span
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</span></font></span></div><div><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">useful here too is the long history of alternative and speculative language for queer and nonbinary possibilities in scifi, and the history of other gender markers being available and normative in virtual spaces even in their earliest days -- Spivak pronouns making an early appearance, for instance. what has this facilitated in the imagination? how can we bring that sort of plasticity to daily experience? it is essential for all of us, not only the nonbinary and trans among us, to free ourselves of the damage of the gender-binary in terms of our thinking. within the acknowledgement and re-languaging of our community, if adopted widely by allies, comes the possibility for countless repercussions within policy, care, legal rights, etc. </span></font></span></div><div><span
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</span></font></span></div><div><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">am I done? I am never done. neither is my gender. do we have time to talk about Genesis P-Orridge? I leave us with one last thought: how can we, as those seeking expansive possibilities for life on earth (and beyond) in whatever time we have here, recognize that the use of gender-free language can be a critical tool in evolving ourselves? how can we bring this practice into our curation, our classrooms, and our interactions daily? I can talk more about how I do this, and strategies for doing so that feel like a welcome rather than an admonition, but I have written enough for now, surely.</span></font></span></div><div><span
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</span></font></span></div><div><span
style="background-color:transparent"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap">for others in NY, the wonderful trans poet TC Tolbert is coming to Pratt as a guest artist all fall, and CA Conrad (nonbinary, doing great somatic work as well) will be performing tomorrow at the strand. I hold space in the OS catalog for trans and genderqueer / nonbinary creative practitioners, through our Kin(d)* series, and can share all sorts of wonderful content that I use with my students, if folks desire. poetics can be an incredible disruptor mechanism, as it already refuses the sentence of the sentence....</span></font></span></div><div><span
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1. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (Jaimes Mayhew)<br>
2. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)<br>
3. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)<br>
4. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (isabelle arvers)<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:08:23 -0400<br>
From: Jaimes Mayhew <<a href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com"
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Hi everyone,<br>
I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made
my heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my
career. <br>
<br>
I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve
found people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
as a way to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then
MySpace and now Facebook. <br>
<br>
McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
wondering if you might be family. <br>
<br>
What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
<br>
Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
<br>
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."<br>
> <br>
> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
was clinging on to masculinity by a thread. <br>
> <br>
> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
for extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
for Nazis. <br>
> <br>
> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
twitter. <br>
> <br>
> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
> <br>
> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
The Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
library.<br>
> <br>
> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read
this:<br>
> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
> <br>
> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all. <br>
> <br>
> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who
all call ourselves transsexuals again. <br>
> <br>
> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
> <br>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<a
href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of
the latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue. McKenzie
glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as
loathing, and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.
I thought that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
courtesy I gave them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.
Roads not taken, ships that pass in the night?<br>
>> <br>
>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>> <br>
>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some
point in the past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence:
going through changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>> <br>
>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
Trumpist. J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
raging pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that
either reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of
the car behind her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all
busy slouching toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?<br>
>> <br>
>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this
thread later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have
more time.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sandy<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>> <br>
>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.<br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
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> -- <br>
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> Professor of Media and Culture<br>
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
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Thanks Jaimes,<br>
When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly seemed at<br>
all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like -- finally!<br>
<br>
I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding other
trans<br>
ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.<br>
<br>
I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my professional<br>
identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.<br>
<br>
But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened
mostly<br>
via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me<br>
direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big sister
to<br>
me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my transition, via<br>
twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.<br>
<br>
I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via twitter,
one<br>
strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech. Another is
more<br>
specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with but not
(or<br>
not yet) particularly close to.<br>
<br>
I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media scholar, of<br>
course.<br>
<br>
m<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <<a
href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
posting,<br>
> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
heart<br>
> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.<br>
><br>
> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
conversation<br>
> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible.
I?ve found<br>
> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
as a way<br>
> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
now<br>
> Facebook.<br>
><br>
> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
present<br>
> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
wondering if<br>
> you might be family.<br>
><br>
> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
><br>
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
><br>
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
said:<br>
> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."<br>
><br>
> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
was<br>
> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.<br>
><br>
> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
for<br>
> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
for<br>
> Nazis.<br>
><br>
> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm<br>
> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on<br>
> twitter.<br>
><br>
> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
playing<br>
> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
><br>
> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
The<br>
> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
library.<br>
><br>
> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized<br>
> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:<br>
> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
><br>
> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.<br>
><br>
> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who
all call<br>
> ourselves transsexuals again.<br>
><br>
> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<br>
> <a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of
the<br>
>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a
busful of<br>
>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.
McKenzie<br>
>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted
as loathing,<br>
>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
thought<br>
>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
courtesy I gave<br>
>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not
taken, ships<br>
>> that pass in the night?<br>
>><br>
>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>><br>
>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some
point in the<br>
>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going
through<br>
>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>><br>
>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
relative,<br>
>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
Trumpist. J<br>
>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
raging<br>
>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that
either reduces<br>
>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
literally? all<br>
>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
behind<br>
>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
slouching<br>
>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?<br>
>><br>
>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this
thread<br>
>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have
more time.<br>
>><br>
>> Sandy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>><br>
>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.<br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> empyre forum<br>
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><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
> *Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:warkk@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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-- <br>
<br>
McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
*Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
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<br>
oh, i wanted to add -- given Sandy's truly extensive background in all<br>
things audio --<br>
<br>
one of the skeins of the network i fell into, via, twitter, is trans
women<br>
who are ravers.<br>
<br>
There's something about this extremely relentless, minimal music that
has a<br>
trans following. It works for me, so i get it.<br>
<br>
Its so lacking in the narrative or emotional habits of music that you
are<br>
free to project your own feelings and body into it.<br>
<br>
In other words its great for dysphoria.<br>
<br>
I was taken by the hand by sisters who led me into the bowels of
Brooklyn<br>
for raves at which trans women get in free and are always on the list.<br>
<br>
This looped me back to 90s culture, where i discovered European techno<br>
through its overlap with the digital avant-gardes who did their
theory-work<br>
via listserves like <a href="http://nettime.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nettime.org</a> and indeed
empyre.<br>
<br>
m<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:24 AM warkk <<a
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wrote:<br>
<br>
> Thanks Jaimes,<br>
> When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly
seemed at<br>
> all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like --
finally!<br>
><br>
> I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding
other trans<br>
> ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.<br>
><br>
> I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my
professional<br>
> identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.<br>
><br>
> But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened
mostly<br>
> via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me<br>
> direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big
sister to<br>
> me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my
transition, via<br>
> twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.<br>
><br>
> I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via
twitter,<br>
> one strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech.
Another is<br>
> more specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with
but not<br>
> (or not yet) particularly close to.<br>
><br>
> I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media
scholar, of<br>
> course.<br>
><br>
> m<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <<a
href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall
ever posting,<br>
>> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made
my heart<br>
>> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my
career.<br>
>><br>
>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
conversation<br>
>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible.
I?ve found<br>
>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social
media as a way<br>
>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace
and now<br>
>> Facebook.<br>
>><br>
>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see
you present<br>
>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
wondering if<br>
>> you might be family.<br>
>><br>
>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message
which said:<br>
>> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."<br>
>><br>
>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i
knew i was<br>
>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.<br>
>><br>
>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media
designed for<br>
>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding
ground for<br>
>> Nazis.<br>
>><br>
>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other.
I'm<br>
>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but
met on<br>
>> twitter.<br>
>><br>
>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its
exhausting playing<br>
>> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
>><br>
>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl
too. The<br>
>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the
Hirschfeld library.<br>
>><br>
>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized<br>
>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read
this:<br>
>> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
>><br>
>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.<br>
>><br>
>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters
who all<br>
>> call ourselves transsexuals again.<br>
>><br>
>> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic
time of the<br>
>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a
busful of<br>
>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.
McKenzie<br>
>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I
interpreted as loathing,<br>
>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to
terror. I thought<br>
>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
courtesy I gave<br>
>>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads
not taken, ships<br>
>>> that pass in the night?<br>
>>><br>
>>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some
point in the<br>
>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence:
going through<br>
>>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A
close relative,<br>
>>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person,
is a Trumpist. J<br>
>>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
raging<br>
>>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video
that either reduces<br>
>>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
literally? all<br>
>>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the
car behind<br>
>>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all
busy slouching<br>
>>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this
thread<br>
>>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I
have more time.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sandy<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>>><br>
>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and
typos.<br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> empyre forum<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://empyre.library.cornell.edu/"
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
>> *Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:warkk@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> empyre forum<br>
>> <a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
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>><br>
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>> empyre forum<br>
>> <a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://empyre.library.cornell.edu</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
> *Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:warkk@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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><br>
><br>
<br>
-- <br>
<br>
McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
*Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
<br>
<a href="mailto:warkk@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:37:51 +0900<br>
From: isabelle arvers <<a href="mailto:iarvers@gmail.com"
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Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
I so much agree with what has just been said;)<br>
On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is
in<br>
Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our
body<br>
is our own territory of experimentation;)<br>
also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a<br>
baby,<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Isabelle<br>
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Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <<a
href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>> a<br>
?crit :<br>
<br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
posting,<br>
> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
heart<br>
> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.<br>
><br>
> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
conversation<br>
> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible.
I?ve found<br>
> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media
as a way<br>
> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and
now<br>
> Facebook.<br>
><br>
> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you
present<br>
> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
wondering if<br>
> you might be family.<br>
><br>
> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
><br>
> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
><br>
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
said:<br>
> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."<br>
><br>
> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i
was<br>
> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.<br>
><br>
> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed
for<br>
> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground
for<br>
> Nazis.<br>
><br>
> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm<br>
> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on<br>
> twitter.<br>
><br>
> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
playing<br>
> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
><br>
> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too.
The<br>
> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld
library.<br>
><br>
> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized<br>
> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:<br>
> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
><br>
> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.<br>
><br>
> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who
all call<br>
> ourselves transsexuals again.<br>
><br>
> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<br>
> <a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of
the<br>
>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a
busful of<br>
>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.
McKenzie<br>
>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted
as loathing,<br>
>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror. I
thought<br>
>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
courtesy I gave<br>
>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads not
taken, ships<br>
>> that pass in the night?<br>
>><br>
>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>><br>
>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some
point in the<br>
>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going
through<br>
>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>><br>
>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A close
relative,<br>
>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
Trumpist. J<br>
>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
raging<br>
>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that
either reduces<br>
>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
literally? all<br>
>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car
behind<br>
>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all busy
slouching<br>
>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?<br>
>><br>
>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this
thread<br>
>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I have
more time.<br>
>><br>
>> Sandy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>><br>
>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.<br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> empyre forum<br>
>> <a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a><br>
>> <a href="http://empyre.library.cornell.edu/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://empyre.library.cornell.edu</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
> Professor of Media and Culture<br>
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:warkk@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">warkk@newschool.edu</a><br>
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> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456<br>
><br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:56:00 -0400<br>
From: warkk <<a href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the<br>
overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans,
are<br>
experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic<br>
experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional
in<br>
that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of<br>
brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The<br>
right to be ordinary is also an important one. M<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <<a
href="mailto:iarvers@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">iarvers@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
> Hello everyone,<br>
><br>
> I so much agree with what has just been said;)<br>
> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far
is in<br>
> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that
our body<br>
> is our own territory of experimentation;)<br>
> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who
had a<br>
> baby,<br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> Isabelle<br>
><br>
> [image:<br>
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> Isabelle Arvers<br>
> Curator, art critic and artist<br>
> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386<br>
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> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <<a
href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>> a<br>
> ?crit :<br>
><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall
ever posting,<br>
>> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made
my heart<br>
>> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my
career.<br>
>><br>
>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
conversation<br>
>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible.
I?ve found<br>
>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social
media as a way<br>
>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace
and now<br>
>> Facebook.<br>
>><br>
>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see
you present<br>
>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and
wondering if<br>
>> you might be family.<br>
>><br>
>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message
which said:<br>
>> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."<br>
>><br>
>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i
knew i was<br>
>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.<br>
>><br>
>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media
designed for<br>
>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding
ground for<br>
>> Nazis.<br>
>><br>
>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other.
I'm<br>
>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but
met on<br>
>> twitter.<br>
>><br>
>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its
exhausting playing<br>
>> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
>><br>
>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl
too. The<br>
>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the
Hirschfeld library.<br>
>><br>
>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized<br>
>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read
this:<br>
>> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
>><br>
>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.<br>
>><br>
>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters
who all<br>
>> call ourselves transsexuals again.<br>
>><br>
>> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic
time of the<br>
>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a
busful of<br>
>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.
McKenzie<br>
>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I
interpreted as loathing,<br>
>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to
terror. I thought<br>
>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of
courtesy I gave<br>
>>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t. Roads
not taken, ships<br>
>>> that pass in the night?<br>
>>><br>
>>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some
point in the<br>
>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence:
going through<br>
>>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A
close relative,<br>
>>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person,
is a Trumpist. J<br>
>>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
raging<br>
>>> pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video
that either reduces<br>
>>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
literally? all<br>
>>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the
car behind<br>
>>> her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s head. We?re all
busy slouching<br>
>>> toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not to like?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this
thread<br>
>>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I
have more time.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sandy<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>>><br>
>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and
typos.<br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
>> Professor of Media and Culture<br>
>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
>> <<a
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EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
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From: warkk <<a href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank"
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So enough about me.<br>
<br>
This is sort of how it works in my trans girl world: i have a big sister<br>
and she has a big sister<br>
<br>
-- but the big sister of us all is Sandy Stone. And i just want to sit
at<br>
her (virtual feet).<br>
<br>
So Sandy:<br>
how has your thinking changed, or not, since The Empire Strikes Back: A<br>
Posttranssexual Manifesto?<br>
<br>
what do you think about the internet-spawned trans culture that sprang
up,<br>
maybe mostly via tumblr?<br>
<br>
can you tell me a it about ageing? I just turned 58 and am already a
middle<br>
aged woman...<br>
<br>
do you find resonances between the techniques for our bodies and for our<br>
ears? Sound and body technics?<br>
<br>
oh i have so much more, but just for a start...<br>
<br>
M<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the<br>
> overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and
trans, are<br>
> experiments held together by both technical experiments and
aesthetic<br>
> experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as
exceptional in<br>
> that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of<br>
> brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary.
The<br>
> right to be ordinary is also an important one. M<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <<a
href="mailto:iarvers@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">iarvers@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>> Hello everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> I so much agree with what has just been said;)<br>
>> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so
far is in<br>
>> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says
that our body<br>
>> is our own territory of experimentation;)<br>
>> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man
who had a<br>
>> baby,<br>
>> Cheers<br>
>><br>
>> Isabelle<br>
>><br>
>> [image:<br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif</a>><br>
>> Isabelle Arvers<br>
>> Curator, art critic and artist<br>
>> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386<br>
>> <a href="http://www.isabellearvers.com/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.isabellearvers.com</a><br>
>> Director of Kareron <a href="http://www.kareron.com/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.kareron.com</a><br>
>> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour</a><br>
>> twitter: @zabarvers<br>
>> <a href="http://instagram.com/zabarvers" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">instagram.com/zabarvers</a><br>
>> <a href="http://youtube.com/zabarvers" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">youtube.com/zabarvers</a><br>
>> <a href="https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers</a><br>
>> Skype ID: iarvers<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <<a
href="mailto:jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jaimes.mayhew@gmail.com</a>> a<br>
>> ?crit :<br>
>><br>
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>>> Hi everyone,<br>
>>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall
ever<br>
>>> posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this
conversation made my<br>
>>> heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early
in my career.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of
conversation<br>
>>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed
impossible. I?ve found<br>
>>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via
social media as a way<br>
>>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then
MySpace and now<br>
>>> Facebook.<br>
>>><br>
>>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to
see you present<br>
>>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you
and wondering if<br>
>>> you might be family.<br>
>>><br>
>>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <<a
href="mailto:WarkK@newschool.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">WarkK@newschool.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a
message which<br>
>>> said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you
nervous."<br>
>>><br>
>>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i
knew i was<br>
>>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.<br>
>>><br>
>>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media
designed for<br>
>>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great
breeding ground for<br>
>>> Nazis.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each
other. I'm<br>
>>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL --
but met on<br>
>>> twitter.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its
exhausting<br>
>>> playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans
ppl too. The<br>
>>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the
Hirschfeld library.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the
medicalized<br>
>>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read
this:<br>
>>> <a
href="http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among
sisters who all<br>
>>> call ourselves transsexuals again.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But then one of themes is change, right?<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone
<<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:allucquere.stone@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">allucquere.stone@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned
space----------------------<br>
>>>> Hi folks, Sandy here. McKenzie and I met in the mythic
time of the<br>
>>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met
a busful of<br>
>>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference
venue. McKenzie<br>
>>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I
interpreted as loathing,<br>
>>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to
terror. I thought<br>
>>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out
of courtesy I gave<br>
>>>> them a wide berth. In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.
Roads not taken, ships<br>
>>>> that pass in the night?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at
some point in the<br>
>>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence:
going through<br>
>>>> changes. Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes. Who knew.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Well. The present moment is so chockfull of changes. A
close<br>
>>>> relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and
caring person, is a<br>
>>>> Trumpist. J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive
philanthropist, was a<br>
>>>> raging pedophile. Valerie Plame has launched a
campaign video that either<br>
>>>> reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood
spectacle ?<br>
>>>> literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel
getting out of the<br>
>>>> car behind her. A woman has given birth to a cow?s
head. We?re all busy<br>
>>>> slouching toward our particular Bethlehem. What?s not
to like?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to
this thread<br>
>>>> later. This is just a little introductory blurt until I
have more time.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sandy<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone<br>
>>>> Drive-by Theoretician<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?<br>
>>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and
typos.<br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> empyre forum<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a><br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>><br>
>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
>>> Professor of Media and Culture<br>
>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011<br>
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>>><br>
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> --<br>
><br>
> McKenzie Wark (they/she)<br>
> *Professor of Media and Culture*<br>
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE<br>
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