<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everybody, good to read all this treads!!! quite a lot!!</div><div><br></div><div>some contributions:<br></div><div><br></div><div>To BBC news Ricardo Salles, <span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st">Minister of the Environment of Brazil, said that we need capitalist solutions to the Amazon, we need ''monetize' the Amazon.<br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st">Most people don't trust</span><span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st"> in the good intention in the words of the minister. But...<br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail-m_-8570350341889070263m_89127601437569717m_-4804966595375052390gmail-st">But the idea remains. Is there a Capitalist solution for the Amazon? Can we monetize the amazon? And that is a good idea?</span></div><div><br></div><div>Let's extended this idea to all biomes, including the human beans, and we have the question: Can we produce, preserve and recover in a capitalist system? or: Can we produce, preserve and recover in a socialist system?</div><div><br></div><div>The answer still the same: Technique and resources allocation.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There's a technique that recover and preserve the Biome while producing?</div><div><br></div><div>The answer is "Yes", at least for the rain forests. The Agroforestry, or Food Forest is proving we can produce, preserve and recover at the same time using agroforestry techniques! And we can produce more per hectare compared to traditional monocultures.</div><div><br></div><div>What do we need for agroforestry to become mainstream?</div><div><br></div><div>Resources allocation. We need investment in this area. If we want agroforestry to override the monoculture than we need more investments in agroforestry (and other agroecological techniques).<br></div><div><br></div><div>There's some efforts to create Crowdfunding Platforms to connect agroecological farmers and investors. This platforms needs investments too. It is complex to invest criptocoins for exemple directly with the farmers, groups, indigenous, mst workers, but through crowdfunding it could be a start.</div><div>The connection between them would be straight way with the angels (investors) the platforms and the farmers (angels too). The return on this investment can be negotiated directly with each platform. I cant give some platforms right now, because it is still in the beginning, if someone have the platforms, give abundance to this dialogue.</div><div><br></div><div>Agroforestry, as we know, produces not only food and wood, but also fibers, proteins, sugars, fabrics, fuel and many other raw materials for the production of various products. So we also needed investments in the logistics, distribution, processing and sale of these raw materials. (and of course it is a lot of money, all this people who got rich with criptocoins could start to think about investment in agroforestry and agroecology in countries like Brasil, and others in the same position (it is a very interesting way to resist the land's war, eat a health food and help the earthlings).</div><div><br></div><div>(maybe the farmers will need some guns in the next few years (and here I am not been moral, just realistic)). But we are so nice to think about it :-)</div><div><br></div><div>We need allocate resources to this areas, not matter the system. And the Amazon is still really big and wonderful, full of water, and amazing people. </div><div>We have to remember the amazing people and amazing water always!</div><div><br></div><div>We are living the land's war, we know that. So, I don't want to sounds pessimistic... But if we don't plan agroforestry as the new economic / financial value in the market, stock market, criptomarket we will loose for the monoculture. Because that I say it is a value fight (it is already going on in a very slow and beautiful way).</div><div><br></div><div>*****</div><div><br></div><div>I would like to say as well we (technoshamanism network) are in a campaign right now with a specific indigenous village (Aldeia Pará Pataxó) were we did the </div><div>II Festival of Technoshamanism in 2016 - some photos here: <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/22405820@N08/albums/72157673936765924">https://www.flickr.com/photos/22405820@N08/albums/72157673936765924</a>. We got </div><div>just now from France 20 thousand euros (I know it is nothing, we would prefere the 80 millions from Germany, because the Brazilian government is not giving anything for "this bullshit" but), it is already something. </div><div><br></div><div>During the festival we started a agroforestry in the village with the Pataxós, a center of media, and now we will help them to construct a health center (one of the bolsonaro's ordinance was cut up the health rights to the indigenous), they want to make a autonomous regional reference health center putting together the traditional medicine and white medicine as they call it, because they say now they have white's diseases. This request is also a challenge, how to approach a laboratorial medicine with the medicine that is full of smokes and skin rubs? They will say we will help.</div><div><br></div><div>So with this money we will make a <span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:"Gentium Book Basic",serif;font-size:17px;font-weight:700">TASK FORCE FOR HEALTH!!!! MUTIRÃO PATAXÓ!!!! </span><a href="https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/">https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/</a></div><div>it would be now in 12 of October, but we did not get the money on time, so we will make it in the next months (I think in April, they are asking it to TUPÃ)!<span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);font-family:"Gentium Book Basic",serif;font-size:17px;font-weight:700"><br></span></div><div>All this magic thought is what make they so magic, so full of wisdom of time, and all that incredible culture!! They still have it, please don't loose it!!!</div><div><br></div><div>The internet campaign is finished right now, we can tell you when the center starts operating full of new demands (see, the the government will not invest in it).</div><div><br></div><div>We will make more four events in Europe - two in Paris (where I am, invite me for a drink) and one in London (i will be there too, let's go).</div><div><br></div><div>19/09 - Toulouse <a href="https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/serie-de-encontros-em-apoio-a-saude-pataxo/?fbclid=IwAR3qpYddGNC4lz_KTlniBbOcJejawmAZvSUGYjwuNn9NWMZ52UuKtLMLdNc">https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/serie-de-encontros-em-apoio-a-saude-pataxo/?fbclid=IwAR3qpYddGNC4lz_KTlniBbOcJejawmAZvSUGYjwuNn9NWMZ52UuKtLMLdNc</a></div><div><br></div><div>21/09 - Paris <a href="https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-art-resistance/?fbclid=IwAR30tsrYZDWxmY6Kq2MfG-r8sG12HjyfnRZvXkTdjITF8jktgW0LtPgHN8E">https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-art-resistance/?fbclid=IwAR30tsrYZDWxmY6Kq2MfG-r8sG12HjyfnRZvXkTdjITF8jktgW0LtPgHN8E</a></div><div><br></div><div>24/09 - Paris <a href="https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-marielle-present/?fbclid=IwAR3imSriwIzKolp9JHpC_AujCi5pmaL88EFO3aPt5gO3vJUr9vn5OLs7LgM">https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-marielle-present/?fbclid=IwAR3imSriwIzKolp9JHpC_AujCi5pmaL88EFO3aPt5gO3vJUr9vn5OLs7LgM</a></div><div><br></div><div>28/09 - London <a href="https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/08/14/open-call-technoshamanism-party-in-london-uk/">https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/08/14/open-call-technoshamanism-party-in-london-uk/</a></div><div><br></div><div><b>The health center will depend a lot of solar plaque, plants that remove pests and mosquitoes, medicinal garden, and agroforestry food.</b></div><div><br></div><div>Ps. The pataxós are not exporting food yet, but spaces, teas, bath herbs, they are already thinking, why not? They work so hard for the resorts in the summer.</div><div><br></div><div> it is already too much words :)</div><div>thank you Shu Lea and Margaretha to invite me here,</div><div><br></div><div>keep on.</div><div>f. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:52, Sergio Basbaum <<a href="mailto:sbasbaum@gmail.com">sbasbaum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div dir="auto">Lucas,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you for this narrative. Looking forward seeing ypur movie.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">best</div><div dir="auto">s</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em Ter, 17 de set de 2019 12:01, Shu Lea Cheang <<a href="mailto:shulea@earthlink.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">shulea@earthlink.net</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
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oh, Lucas, thought you would be deep into preparing your feature
film about disappearing landscapes... so ask you for a drive by
front line post of the film in development!</p>
<p>a proper introduce is due.<br>
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<p>Lucas is a friend and an artist I respect a lot, somehow we tend
to run into each other in festivals in European cities, but
indeed, i havent seen Lucas around for a few years now.</p>
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media-based works such
as video, live AV, installations and interactive projects. His
pieces have been
shown in more than 40 countries, held by organizations such as
Moma NY, ZKM,
Frankfurter Kunstverein, ISEA-Ruhr, ISEA/Albuquerque, Laboral,
Http Gallery in
London, Havana Biennale, ŠKUC gallery, WRO Biennale, Zero1 San
Jose, and many
venues in Brazil, such as the São Paulo Biennale. Lucas was
one of the
initiators of arte.mov, Mobile Art Festival. His projects
Mobile Crash and
Labmovel got Honorary Mentions at Ars Eletronica. In his most
recent projects
Lucas has been engaged in critical approaches involving
informational spaces
and electromagnetic fields in public realm. He recently
concluded his PhD at
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<p>If indeed, Lucas can hang around a bit with us, i am super
grateful.</p>
<p>Let me bring up these points of debate-</p>
<p><span>Lucas Bambozzi posted: </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Lavra is a film about disappearing landscapes,
the losses of a world and the attempts to recover
them, in the ongoing war between capitalism and nature. <br>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"></span></span></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">While doing the film, we
have been witnessing the upraising of awareness movements,
such as <a href="http://mamnacional.org.br/" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>MAM –
Movimento dos Atingidos por Barragens</span></a> and <a href="https://www.mabnacional.org.br/" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span>MAB
– Movimento dos Atingidos por Barragens</span></a>,
assisting impacted
communities about their rights and also helping people to <span style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white">review
one's relationship with nature, consumption.
and the notion of progress.</span></span></span><br>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">and to echo Fabi's remarks, <span style="color:rgb(17,17,17)"><span>"The
developmentalist project is still in full swing and the
consciousness of the
earth, interspecies relations, ayahuasca rituals, organic
gardens, the
diversity of peoples and their modes of existence are
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conversations that do not earn enough in the world </span><span>of
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