Re: [-empyre-] race net art bots

At 11:50 AM 24/07/2003 +0930, you wrote:

POP-AGANDA, i saw propaganda written like this the other day in a web site
that deals with cultural alienation, i think it looks good ... propaganda is
interchangeable for  pop culture in more than one way ... ONE needs to be
very vigilant because pop-aganda is pervasive!!!



as in prop[ping up systems].agendas.....



cheers claudia {;-)

>

> On 24/7/03 10:59 AM, "tobias c. van Veen" <tobias@rhizome.org> wrote:
>
>> I think as soon as we reduce other humans to "bots," no matter how evil they
>> are... we become no better than they.
>>
>
> well it is said only half seriously, in a sci-fi kind of way, however when
> you've been stalked relentlessly on every communication channel you've got
> (and has every friend who has every supported you in this issue) for over
> five years, you tend to become a little jaded about it I guess.
>
> of course however the stalker and damali's respondent are human!!! all too
> human!!! I also didn't want to give a gender to the stalker or a name as in
> a way I am protecting 'it' from itself. I just wish they would move on. but
> lets not talk too much more about the stalker as it may get wind of the
> discussion here and come out seeking vengeance. it is like that. however the
> point remains about the power of email abuse, via the screen to one's
> person, it isn't nothing, it is something.
>
> damali says she rejoices everytime she gets a response, as it is a sign of
> life out there that her work has triggered into action, into 'speaking
> itself' or an aspect of itself into life
>
> the machine/bot idea is said in a deleuzian/guattarian sense of 'how the
> machine becomes apparent', in this case being able to see the machine speak
> itself through a complex 'assemblage of enunciation', where words are 'order
> words' and direct discourse (or what is said) springs out of language or
> 'free indirect discourse'. as in:
>
> "direct discourse is a detached fragment of a mass and is born of the
> dismemberment of the collective assemblage; but the collective assemblage is
> always like the murmur from which I take my proper name, the constellation
> of forces, concordant or not, from which I draw my voice....my direct
> discourse is still the free indirect discourse running through me, coming
> from other world or planets. That is why so many artists and writers have
> been tempted by the séance table"
>
>
> when damali refereed to the incident is australia which happened when a
> liberal (australia's republicans) party media advisor referred to the one
> labour voter in a liberal electorate as the 'nigger in the woodpile' he was
> revealling the collective assemblage of enunciation that he was part of.
> interestingly, this phrase was said by another australian, the head of bmw
> or some big car company, he is the ceo of the entire international company
> and said this phrase at a press breakfast in germany, to general uproar.
> later they sent press releases to everyone there saying that this was a
> phrase said a lot in australia. but to be honest, I had never heard it. so
> it is said a lot by members of a particular collective assemblage of
> enunciation, ie the power elite in this country and reveals much about the
> way they think. their language (and consequent actions speak) through them
> and in this abstract way turns them into 'bots'.
>
>
>
>>
>> tV
>>
>> ps. I like the bot idea, the end paragraph especially... but I just can't
>> agree. The machines yes ... the machines of hate ... but there are always
>> humans as cogs ... humans that love as well as hate. The audio-artist Terre
>> Thaemlitz has a great essay in his album _Lovebomb_ that traces the
>> love/hate binary. For all love, there is love of something, and thus, hatred
>> of another.
>>
>>> thanks mendi for posting those links, the exhibition program for the race in
>>> digital cultures conference looks amazing -- what an incredible screening
>>> program
>>> http://cms.mit.edu/race/about.html
>>> --------
>>>
>>> as to the response damali posted here from the rent a negro site, that guy -
>>> what a jerk.
>>>
>>> I have had an internet stalker for over five years now, who continually
>>> since 1998 has sent the most deranged and ugly mails to me. It also got on
>>> the telephone endlessly and repeatedly -- significant as it was calling
>>> australia from hungary, so we had to change all the telephone numbers. it is
>>> a historic legacy, a legacy system, someone else's baggage etc that I
>>> inherited (like a lot of other things in this world) but nonetheless...
>>>
>>> I call it an "IT' as it as a communication entity, some kind of bot
>>>
>>> that is how I read that response, as if it was from an automated hate
>>> machine
>>>
>>> emails such as the 'response' damali got are meant to do just that, attack
>>> you, be a blast through the screen with hate and vitriol. they radiate. they
>>> have a form of power that I don't think we have articulated very well yet,
>>> in internet theory/discussions, as it is difficult to articulate, but I
>>> think they work at the level of the body. they go straight to your heart,
>>> little poison arrows.
>>>
>>> if you let them of course. but you have to work out a way to defend yourself
>>> against them and that is why they are so powerful initially. one can't say
>>> that they don't come as a shock at first. then you kind of see them as
>>> symptoms of something else.
>>>
>>> I think that is one of the things that is so interesting about the site rent
>>> a negro -- it is triggering bots all over the place, it seems, which allow
>>> the machine of hate, confusion and contradiction to become more transparent,
>>> to be able to be seen in motion, wheels turning, engines roaring, emails
>>> flying
>>>
>>> linda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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