Re: [-empyre-] race net art bots

"claudia raddatz" <claudia@anat.org.au> · Thu, 24 Jul 2003 17:11:05 +0930

propagendas {;-) pretty much

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>From: mez <netwurker@hotkey.net.au>
>To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>Subject: Re: [-empyre-] race net art bots
>Date: Thu,  13:36
>

> At 11:50 AM 24/07/2003 +0930, you wrote:
>
>>POP-AGANDA, i saw propaganda written like this the other day in a web site
>>that deals with cultural alienation, i think it looks good ... propaganda is
>>interchangeable for  pop culture in more than one way ... ONE needs to be
>>very vigilant because pop-aganda is pervasive!!!
>
>
> as in prop[ping up systems].agendas.....
>
>
>
>>cheers claudia {;-)
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 24/7/03 10:59 AM, "tobias c. van Veen" <tobias@rhizome.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think as soon as we reduce other humans to "bots," no matter how
>> evil they
>> >> are... we become no better than they.
>> >>
>> >
>> > well it is said only half seriously, in a sci-fi kind of way, however when
>> > you've been stalked relentlessly on every communication channel you've got
>> > (and has every friend who has every supported you in this issue) for over
>> > five years, you tend to become a little jaded about it I guess.
>> >
>> > of course however the stalker and damali's respondent are human!!! all too
>> > human!!!  I also didn't want to give a gender to the stalker or a name
>> as in
>> > a way I am protecting 'it' from itself. I just wish they would move on. but
>> > lets not talk too much more about the stalker as it may get wind of the
>> > discussion here and come out seeking vengeance. it is like that.
>> however the
>> > point remains about the power of email abuse, via the screen to one's
>> > person, it isn't nothing, it is something.
>> >
>> > damali says she rejoices everytime she gets a response, as it is a sign of
>> > life out there that her work has triggered into action, into 'speaking
>> > itself' or an aspect of itself into life
>> >
>> > the machine/bot idea is said in a deleuzian/guattarian sense of 'how the
>> > machine becomes apparent', in this case being able to see the machine speak
>> > itself through a complex 'assemblage of enunciation', where words are
>> 'order
>> > words' and direct discourse (or what is said) springs out of language or
>> > 'free indirect discourse'.  as in:
>> >
>> >  "direct discourse is a detached fragment of a mass and is born of the
>> > dismemberment of the collective assemblage; but the collective
>> assemblage is
>> > always like the murmur from which I take my proper name, the constellation
>> > of forces, concordant or not, from which I draw my voice....my direct
>> > discourse is still the free indirect discourse running through me, coming
>> > from  other world or planets. That is why so many artists and writers have
>> > been tempted by the séance table"
>> >
>> >
>> > when damali refereed to the incident is australia which happened when a
>> > liberal (australia's republicans) party media advisor referred to the one
>> > labour voter in a liberal electorate as the 'nigger in the woodpile' he was
>> > revealling the collective assemblage of enunciation that he was part of.
>> > interestingly, this phrase was said by another australian, the head of bmw
>> > or some big car company, he is the ceo of the entire international company
>> > and said this phrase at a press breakfast in germany, to general uproar.
>> > later they sent press releases to everyone there saying that this was a
>> > phrase said a lot in australia. but to be honest, I had never heard it. so
>> > it is said a lot by members of a particular collective assemblage of
>> > enunciation, ie the power elite in this country and reveals much about the
>> > way they think. their language (and consequent actions speak) through them
>> > and in this abstract way turns them into 'bots'.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> tV
>> >>
>> >> ps. I like the bot idea, the end paragraph especially... but I just can't
>> >> agree. The machines yes ... the machines of hate ... but there are always
>> >> humans as cogs ... humans that love as well as hate. The audio-artist
>> Terre
>> >> Thaemlitz has a great essay in his album _Lovebomb_ that traces the
>> >> love/hate binary. For all love, there is love of something, and thus,
>> hatred
>> >> of another.
>> >>
>> >>> thanks mendi for posting those links, the exhibition program for the
>> race in
>> >>> digital cultures conference looks amazing -- what an incredible screening
>> >>> program
>> >>> http://cms.mit.edu/race/about.html
>> >>> --------
>> >>>
>> >>> as to the response damali posted here from the rent a negro site,
>> that guy -
>> >>> what a jerk.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have had an internet stalker for over five years now, who continually
>> >>> since 1998 has sent the most deranged and ugly mails to me. It also
>> got on
>> >>> the telephone endlessly and repeatedly -- significant as it was calling
>> >>> australia from hungary, so we had to change all the telephone
>> numbers. it is
>> >>> a historic legacy, a legacy system, someone else's baggage etc that I
>> >>> inherited (like a lot of other things in this world) but nonetheless...
>> >>>
>> >>> I call it an "IT' as it as a communication entity, some kind of bot
>> >>>
>> >>> that is how I read that response, as if it was from an automated hate
>> >>> machine
>> >>>
>> >>> emails such as the 'response' damali got are meant to do just that,
>> attack
>> >>> you, be a blast through the screen with hate and vitriol. they
>> radiate. they
>> >>> have a form of power that I don't think we have articulated very well
>> yet,
>> >>> in internet theory/discussions, as it is difficult to articulate, but I
>> >>> think they work at the level of the body. they go straight to your heart,
>> >>> little poison arrows.
>> >>>
>> >>> if you let them of course. but you have to work out a way to defend
>> yourself
>> >>> against them and that is why they are so powerful initially. one
>> can't say
>> >>> that they don't come as a shock at first. then you kind of see them as
>> >>> symptoms of something else.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that is one of the things that is so interesting about the
>> site rent
>> >>> a negro -- it is triggering bots all over the place, it seems, which
>> allow
>> >>> the machine of hate, confusion and contradiction to become more
>> transparent,
>> >>> to be able to be seen in motion, wheels turning, engines roaring, emails
>> >>> flying
>> >>>
>> >>> linda
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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