Re: [-empyre-] multi-perspectival / cultural hegemony of space

[John Klima <klima@echonyc.com>]

naturally the perception of any media is dependendant on the presence of
a consumer (for lack of a beter word), but consumer or not, the media
still exists. while the philosophical pondering of this question is
enjoyable, it is fairly irrelevant. just because we can not perceive
sub-sub-sub atomic events, or ghosts for that matter, does not mean they
don't exist. well, i'm skeptical about the ghosts, but i'd never argue
with someone about it. though i would likely excuse myself from the
conversation at a bar.

j


Alan Sondheim wrote:
> 
> This would of course depend on the definition of 'sound.' There are
> arguments that tone or color, for example, depend on perception.
> Certainly, there are vibrations, but sound might be of another color.
> 
> Is it music if it's unheard? Is it beautiful music if it's unheard?
> 
> Etc. - The phenomenology depends on the definition of these words, and
> their coupling to the observer.
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, John Klima wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > > > does it require the
> > > > presence of the other for the one to exist? that is what i find highly
> > > > unlikely.
> > > -----
> > > I am not sure quite what you meant by this in the context you used it...but
> > > from my perspective the self is created by the other...the self and the
> > > other need one another like one needs air.
> >
> > the koan asks just that, is there sound without a listener. i answer
> > ofcourse there is sound. i do not believe sound requires a listener for
> > it to exist. if i'm at the studio blasting my hi-fi and i run out to the
> > deli for a pack of smokes, my speakers are still pushing air whether
> > that air reaches my ears or not.
> > the one does not need the other to exist.
> >
> > >
> > > An interestiong book, although it comes to totally the wrong conclusion, on
> > > this subject is The Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius, a Roman
> > > writer/thinker of roughly 400AD. He discusses at length the problematic of
> > > being when totally alone (he wrote the book during a decade or so of
> > > solitary confinement).
> >
> > i read boethius what seems like a million years ago. i was doing alot of
> > "plurality of perception" back then so i don't remember much. as much as
> > i define myself by how i differ from things other, i define myself by
> > how i am similar.
> >
> > j
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