Re: [-empyre-] the symbolic and the real

[Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>]

Below is really well put; intervention in vr is often a bug in the system,
and is 'of a piece' with the programming.

I wouldn't say homogeneous, but more holarchic, not hierarchical either.

I also think there's an ideality at the heart of discourse systems,
whether it be mathesis (from an ideal viewpoint), or more primitive binary
or unary structures - that gets back of course to the failure of Wittgen-
stein's TLP and any sort of atomism of that ilk. On the other hand, when I
think of dark matter, etc. etc., I think this more than the residue of
mathesis - it's 'out there,' and at the heart of things. (I realize I'm
poeticizing here.)

- Alan

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, saul ostrow wrote:

> yes, your right we are at it still  -- as you know I do not believe in
> the ideal of horizontal / homogeneous concepts of the real -- I think
> all discourse systems are developed to produce and identify differences
> so that we may make choices that may be thought to have effect within a
> given set of parameters -- while VR may create the illusion of this  it
> is more circumscribed than the everyday -- as such I choose to work and
> function within the confines of a reality (not a real) that is more
> circumspect and seemingly more open to intervention
>

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