Re: [-empyre-] Do You Still Your Own Reality?



Alicia Keyes was pictured in our weekend paper's cultural section (Auckland
Herald, 16/10/04) wearing a VOTE OR DIE T-shirt. The bluffage appended said
that artists as a class were usually more concerned with self-preservation
than using their status in society to put their message across.
I suppose that's what my rhetorical No is about.
As for Michael Franti (he spends a good deal of time here, doing what some
call 'getting real' or just chilling), I would not describe what he's doing
in Iraq as 'useful' in "political discourse" because I don't know whether I
understand what the latter is meant to include.
However, I understand Herbert Blau - director, some time ago now, of the
Actor's Workshop, San Fran - when he talks of Beckett's Waiting for Godot as
being supremely apposite to the political scenario playing itself out - and
out - in 1960s America: commentary or comment? presentation or
representation? art/propaganda/advertising/journalism? complex or necessary
or necessarily both?
('Discourse' makes me think of the Nietszchean weakness in Foucault - the
revelation of a mise-en-scene that engenders a mise-en-scene, in discursive
reductio: I tend to think of the will to lie before the will to power!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geri Wittig" <gwittig@adobe.com>
To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Do You Still Your Own Reality?


> Hmmm, I'm not exactly sure what you are saying "no" to Simon, so I'm
> seeking clarification. Are you saying that art is useless in the
> political discourse? If so, I disagree when I see people like Michael
> Franti, one of our local art assets here in the San Francisco Bay
> Area going to Iraq and creating an opportunity for discourse through
> his art with both the Iraqi street and the various military presences
> over there. Reaching people on a very personal creative level and
> bridging very disparate voices in this huge quagmire the U.S. has
> created.
>
> If you're saying art shouldn't take it's role so seriously and see
> it's impact so grandiosely, yes I can agree, it's only part of the
> huge layered web of the ever mutating world.
>
> geri wittig
>
>
> >No. I refuse to accept this. Something quite other is going on. "All art
is
> >quite useless." Oscar Wilde was a modernist when he said this. English
> >suffers from the lack of the second person plural: you who own your
reality
> >(?): we who don't doubt our reality because we are not I; we who are not
> >others to ourselves; we who do not write in order to be other; we who
cannot
> >imagine why it might be necessary to write or think sous rature. Harold
> >Bloom has called our culture a late efflorescence of Romanticism and this
is
> >appreciable in the current fetishisation of art, masquerading or queered
> >under its drag of utility. The Great Fetish Art. This has always meant
the
> >virtual to me with all that is problematic about it. And also liberating.
> >(And Deathlike - or enantiomorphic. Caution: Dark Ages Approaching.)
> >Technology and Art together: my God - our God - your God - what a
> >floundering is thereby engendered...
> >There is a general - even amongst amateurs and dilletantes - discretion
and
> >delicacy about poesis: a poem is what one aspires to make and writing one
> >does not automatically make one a poet. An artwork is it not the same?
> >(There is a beautiful and extended discussion in Ariel Dorfman's Some
Write
> >to the Future on the literary qualities - qua literature - of the
> >'confessional literature' in Chile. Most nations and states now have this
> >sort of literature, mirror-struck - as Stravinsky said he was not - by
its
> >own mental state.) And being human is it not a sort of poesis?
> >For godssake write propaganda - like old EZ - draw it, paint it, and
> >writedrawpaintfilm it in the ether: your personal belief is possibly the
> >worst way to win converts; the market and the Affect shall judge it; but
I
> >agree that posterity can go fuck itself: it's task has been abrogated in
the
> >most insipid way: you know now who owns your reality... we do. ...
> >
> >What is going on here? What happened in Australia? A culture that still
> >holds to the ladder of creation, with the squatters at the top and the
abos
> >at the bottom?
> >If I were in America (North) would I be on those buses, signing up the
> >flaccid voters - are they complacent? or - as the moralists would have
it -
> >apathetic? - or would I be trying to be funny in a way that doesn't
travel
> >without its laughtrack?
> >I've brought up the NSK before with narry a nibble but I would have
thought
> >they'd be a godsend to this sort of discussion and to relieving it of its
> >claptrap about art! ...
> >
> >Bush must go but even Democrats are saying the worst thing that could
happen
> >for the Democrat Party is inheriting the country after Bush. Machivellian
> >desire for longevity may prevail over the expedient of removing the
current
> >administration. But as Randall says, you will know the devil you don't
know
> >as the devil, when he is voted in, and seen to be the devil, etcetera.
> >
> >Clinton - a man who could speak in complete sentences - with clausation -
> >bombs a pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan. And sanctions, what were
they?
> >and how did they work to the betterment of the general population? (Or
IMF
> >incentives and initiatives, for that matter - seeing as how they work in
> >Papua New Guinea.) And debts, 'third world' debts - as John Ralston Saul
> >says - a Solon would be wise to...
> >
> >This is not cynicism. This might not even make sense. But it seems to me
the
> >struggle is within the West as it is within the East - with Israel as the
> >exception that will prove the rule - of misrule.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Randall Packer" <rpacker@zakros.com>
> >To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Do You Still Own Your Reality? (forwarded from
> >GeriWittig)
> >
> >
> >>  Yes, yes, and yes!
> >>
> >>  To pick up where I left off, in the US DAT is Virtual post, this
> >>  statement takes this idea one step further, in which the artist
> >>  actually reshapes the world according to his or her own vision. That
> >>  is truly the power of art! The artist takes command of the space,
> >>  sculpts the space, refashions the space with the intent of creating
> >>  something that did not exist previously. I feel that art is political
> >>  by nature because it inevitably suggests some kind of change, it
> >>  forces us to look at things differently. That is real change! I have
> >>  no desire to be a political artist, but rather to make art that is
> >>  political in the sense that it pushes us as individuals and as a
> >>  society to rethink who we are, to question, to probe, and sometimes
> >>  to resist.
> >>
> >>  >I believe that if art has a part to play in the political sphere
> >>  >(which I certaintly hope it can) it needs to discard to notion of
> >>  >being an instrument that is used to fix specific problems.  To me
> >>  >this is a far too literal and reductive interpretation of the
> >>  >potential of political art. Art doesn't change the world like
> >>  >legislation does. It has a much more abstract  way of working; a way
> >>  >that is more concerned with experimentation, the speculative and
> >>  >difference than with effectiveness. To paraphrase Kant's aesthetics
> >>  >(and maybe streching my point a little): Art is effective exactly
> >>  >beacuse of its ineffectiveness. I agree with Randall that art has to
> >>  >connect to the world people live in but I see this as a condition
> >>  >for all art not as an exclusive point in political art. Instead of
> >>  >just refering to this world solely as materialistic reality or as a
> >>  >surface that can be redecorated political art has to open this world
> >>  >as an imaginary space, a potential for change, mental as well as
> >>  >actual. Instead of being dialectical it should be multi-dimensional.
> >>  >It should recognize that being political today is a far more complex
> >>  >position than just 10 years ago. This is the era of bio-politics.
> >>  >The society of control, where everything is politicized. To go on
> >>  >the streets, whether they are physical or virtual, to protest seems
> >>  >to me a dated form of political art, which has a tendency to turn
> >>  >political problems into a question of symbols (brands) vs.
> >>  >anti-symbols. Of course the mobilsation and the presence of the
> >>  >critical people is an important factor but I think a far more
> >>  >radical political statement for art would be to suggest a multitude
> >>  >of reconceptualizations of the world which the system as we know it
> >>  >so far doesn't allow us to comprehend. This strand of thought
> >>  >connects to the recent revival of the utopia, but as this term is so
> >>  >ladden I prefer to call it responsible dreaming with a cause.
> >>  >Jacob Lillemose
> >>  >
> >>  >Den 10/10-2004, kl. 0.05, skrev Randall M. Packer:
> >>  >
> >>  >>Geri (didn't we meet at Joel Slayton's some years ago?).
> >>  >>
> >>  >>I wish you could have seen our recent installation, the
> >>  >>Experimental Party DisInformation Center, installed at LUXE gallery
> >>  >>right in the heart of the 57th St. gallery district in NYC during
> >>  >>the Republican Convention. Also the heart of the NYC Gucci
> >>  >>neighborhood. Not a typical place for political art.
> >  > >>
> >>  >>In any case, we had everyone from students to activists to red meat
> >>  >>Republicans, etc. going through the gallery. Around 5,000 people in
> >>  >>two weeks. There was one group of students from a New School
> >>  >>sociology class that had been given the assignment to view the show
> >>  >>and interview me. The Professor said the show had "opened the eyes"
> >  > >>of her students to the current political climate and the use of
> >>  >>propaganda by the Republicans. These were kids not at all
> >>  >>experienced with contemporary new media art, so this struck me as
> >>  >>particularly compelling.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>To get to the point, US DAT is a form of "performance art" that
> >>  >>dissolves the border between the virtual and physical realms of
> >>  >>galleries, Web sites, press releases, live performance, etc. It is
> >>  >>intended to reach people viscerally in its use of fantasy and
> >>  >>satire, which I believe, has been effective in drawing a large
> >>  >>audience into thinking about complex issues that might otherwise be
> >>  >>inaccessible.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>I believe that if art has a political message, it needs to touch
> >>  >>people, it needs to connect with people and the world they live in.
> >>  >>Otherwise, you are right, it comes off being not only humorless,
> >>  >>but colorless and ineffectual.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>Randall
> >>  >>
> >>  >>
> >>  >>>Yes, thank you Randall, very valid point. That's something I've
> >>  >>>been trying to reconcile for a long time myself. I was involved as
> >>  >>>an artist with ActUp in the early 90's and did a lot of political
> >>  >>>art in the 90's related to such U.S. domestic issues as the
> >>  >>>Telecommunications Act (media concentration) and international
> >>  >>>issues such as the Hong Kong handover in '97, but with the
> >>  >>>explosion of global information technologies in the past decade I
> >>  >>>began thinking there needed to be new strategies that weren't so
> >>  >>>didactic, etc. I've been to lots of art and activism discussions,
> >>  >>>actually recently went to one a few weeks ago up in Northern
> >>  >>>California - one of the key points that was made there was the
> >>  >>>need for not being over the top and hitting people over the head
> >>  >>>in a humorless way and also communicating to people on a
> >>  >>>personal/emotional level. What you at DAT do does embody humor and
> >>  >>>I think that is one of your strengths, but I think my negative
> >>  >>>reaction when I read some of your statements is some of it seems
> >>  >>>like preaching to the choir and perhaps holds a condescending tone
> >>  >>>that might not be helpful. But of course I could be wrong, as I'm
> >>  >>>not really sure who DAT has been reaching in terms of audience.
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>I agree with Tobias and think "stealth" was probably the wrong
> >>  >>>choice of words.
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>At 12:18 AM -0400 10/9/04, tobias c. van Veen wrote:
> >>  >>>>Although sometimes I feel the stealth approach, unless as
disguised as
> >the
> >>  >>>>ultimate model, the mythical Hashasheen, is simply an excuse for
> >faking the
> >>  >>>>chameleon and reaping the benefits of the system while espousing
its
> >>  >>>>downfall.
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>What I mean instead is to work to communicate in a way that is not
> >>  >>>in a confrontational/didactic way that builds resistance to
> >>  >>>hearing, but in an expansive way that is stealth in that one
> >>  >>>attempts to fully understand what makes those you're trying to be
> >>  >>>in dialogue with tick and using that knowledge to be more
> >>  >>>effective.
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>To point to a work that I think has been very enlightening in
> >>  >>>these technologically-savvy times, I would say Josh On of Future
> >>  >>>Farmer's "They Rule": www.theyrule.net
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>geri
> >>  >>>
> >>  >>>>To Geri and the rest of the empyre list:
> >>  >>>>
> >>  >>>>Elaborate on the proposition of a "stealth" approach to
> >>  >>>>confronting the current political environment and its players who
> >>  >>>>partake in elaborate mechanisms of public deception and media
> >>  >>>>manipulation.
> >>  >>>>
> >>  >>>>What is the 21st century solution?
> >>  >>>>
> >>  >>>>How can artists engage in effective mediation in these
> >>  >>>>increasingly, technologically-savvy times?
> >>  >>>>
> >>  >>>>Randall
> >>  >>>>
> >>  >>>>>I think there's a very clear understanding of the power of the
> >  > >>>>>media and has been for a long time in academic, publishing, art,
> >>  >>>>>media, etc. fields. I just don't think this "rhetoric" is
> >>  >>>>>effectual, in my opinion it's not shedding any new light. I
> >>  >>>>>think this strategy echoes a political activist art practice
> >>  >>>>>that worked well in the 80's and early 90's, but we're in a
> >  > >>>>>different even more media savvy time that I think demands an
> >>  >>>>>even more stealth approach.
> >>  >>>>>
> >>  >>>>>geri wittig
> >>  >>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>The statement was posed rhetorically, clearly not everyone is
> >asleep...
> >>  >>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>The problem is: 45% of the country can't be awakened from their
> >>  >>>>>>hypnosis. They will vote for Bush even if he is campaigning for
> >>  >>>>>>the apocalypse (which, by the way he is). If the rest of us are
> >>  >>>>>>searching for ways to confront our "nation of robotic
> >>  >>>>>>brethren," to quote Abe Golam, we must have a better
> >>  >>>>>>understanding the power of the media as the opiate of the
> >>  >>>>>>masses.
> >>  >>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>----------
> >>  >>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>From: Geri Wittig <gwittig@adobe.com>
> >>  >>>>>>>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:35:17 -0700
> >>  >>>>>>>To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> >>  >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Do You Still Own Your Reality?
> >>  >>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>I completely understand the sentiment of this post - the Bush
> >opposition
> >>  >>>>>>>movement in this country has been critiquing the power of the
> >>  >>>>>>>misinformation
> >>  >>>>>>>and fear mongering that comes out of the Bush administration -
> >>  >>>>>>>this is not a
> >>  >>>>>>>new observation and has been duly noted for years. I watched
the
> >>  >>>>>>>Cheney/Edwards debate and had the same analysis of Cheney's
> >>  >>>>>>>uncanny ability
> >>  >>>>>>>to hypnotically put forth inaccuracies that an uninformed
> >>  >>>>>>>public would take
> >>  >>>>>>>at face value without question, but to lump all of "America's
> >>  >>>>>>>reality" into
> >>  >>>>>>>one basket is a disservice to the many in the trenches who have
> >been
> >>  >>>>>>>fighting the good fight to oppose the Bush administration in
all of
> >it's
> >>  >>>>>>>varied negative policy impacts upon the world. For example, in
> >>  >>>>>>>these last
> >>  >>>>>>>few weeks of this campaign, the work that many grassroots
> >>  >>>>>>>voter registration
> >>  >>>>>>>efforts have been doing are showing results - the late voter
> >>  >>>>>>>registration
> >>  >>>>>>>has been surging. A friend of mine who recently moved to North
> >>  >>>>>>>Carolina, a
> >>  >>>>>>>Republican stronghold, informed me that late voter
> >>  >>>>>>>registration is running
> >>  >>>>>>>60% Democrat, 12% Republican. Yes, we need to continue to
> >>  >>>>>>>critique and point
> >>  >>>>>>>out the insane "reality" that the Bush administration is
> >>  >>>>>>>trying to pull over
> >>  >>>>>>>the uninformed American public's eyes, but we need to also
> >>  >>>>>>>acknowlege where
> >>  >>>>>>>the work in action is gaining some ground. On a psychological
level
> >it's
> >>  >>>>>>>going to be important to help boost any momentum that is being
> >>  >>>>>>>gained by the
> >>  >>>>>>>Bush opposition, as it's going to be very important for
> >>  >>>>>>>getting out those
> >>  >>>>>>>left leaning voters who do not support Bush's policies, but who
> >haven't
> >>  >>>>>>>voted in years because they've become disillusioned with the
> >>  >>>>>>>system and have
> >>  >>>>>>>gone into inaction. Critique is vital, but without action and
> >>  >>>>>>>acknowledgement of the successes that that action may be
attaining,
> >the
> >>  >>>>>>>critique is futile.
> >>  >>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>geri wittig
> >>  >>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  (((((((((( We the Blog Update: Do You Still Own Your
> >>  >>>>>>>>Reality? ))))))))))
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  October 07, 2004
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  The Republicans are heightening the attack, ramping up their
> >spin
> >>  >>>>>>>>  strategies to reinforce disinformation in order to fool the
> >country
> >>  >>>>>>>>  into re-election.
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  Straight out of the playbook from Orwell's 1984...
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  They continue to retool their highly refined doublespeak
tactics
> >to
> >>  >>>>>>>>  maintain a stranglehold on the reality of unsuspecting
> >Americans.
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  Have the Republicans co-opted your reality?
> >  > >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  According to columnist Tina Brown in the Washington Post
> >>  >>>>>>>>discussing the
> >>  >>>>>>>>  VP debate:
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  "Cheney found a more primitive way to bluff with a bad
hand...
> >In a
> >>  >>>>>>>>  culture of blatherers, Cheney intimidates with his silences,
his
> >>  >>>>>>>>  stingers, and above all his awesome capacity to stare down
> >  > >>>>>>>>the evidence
> >>  >>>>>>>>  and assert that black is white."
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  Despite the fact that this week, the administration's own
Paul
> >Bremer,
> >>  >>>>>>>>  Don Rumsfeld, and the weapons investigator Charles Duelfer
have
> >all
> >>  >>>>>>>>  declared the reason's for going to war were deeply flawed,
as
> >well as
> >>  >>>>>>>>  the so called follow-up plan, Bush and Cheney not only stand
> >their
> >>  >>>>>>>>  ground, the tighten their tenuous grip on a fictional
narrative
> >>  >>>>>>>>  designed to disguise their true ambition to control the
> >>  >>>>>>>>oil-rich middle
> >>  >>>>>>>>  east.
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  The real issue in this election though, is America going to
wake
> >up to
> >>  >>>>>>>>  the dream (or nightmare) it finds itself in? Can we lift the
> >>  >>>>>>>>veil on the
> >>  >>>>>>>>  disinformation pouring out of the White House. Can we take
> >command of
> >>  >>>>>>>  > our own reality?
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>>  Or has America's reality been permanently hijacked by the
> >Republicans
> >>  >>>>>>>>  and their media propaganda machine?
> >>  >>>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>
> >>  >>>>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>  >>>>>>>empyre forum
> >>  >>>>>>>empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
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> >>  >>>>>>
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> >>  >>>>>
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