Re: [-empyre-] delineations

["Aliette Guibert" <guibertc@criticalsecret.com>]

Kate, thanks. It is your self references.
But please what does it depend on it for Bracha Ettinger?

For another hand, I think that a transgression is everytime both positive
and negative : that depends of the existence, of the circumstances, and of
the environment (from which part to which part) and it is impossible to know
exactly of the effect before the act would be realized.

Is there a risk ?


(Sorry of the short message but there are less mistakes everytime I can be
short:)
even dialectical strategy is submitted to the
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kate Southworth" <katesouthworth@gloriousninth.com>
To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
Cc: "Aliette Guibert" <guibertc@criticalsecret.com>; "James Barrett"
<jim.barrett@humlab.umu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] delineations


> I've been thinking about Aliette's two posts, and James Barrett's post
which
> I found very stimulating.  I do agree in particular with the points made
by
> both Aliette and James that concern the need to articulate the different
> definitions of transgression and indeed of transcendence.
>
> > 4/6/05 0:01Aliette Guibertguibertc@criticalsecret.com
>
> > The matter is that I wonder if before my first one there were not
confusion
> > on the transcendence -which concerns the spirituality- with the
> > transgression (malpractice? -interesting connotation, like acting a
> > diverting of the rule)- which concerns acts, individual acts
> > so abstract as social and also collective acts (groups, packs, masses)-.
>
>
> >But as for me I am always bothered to see a railing of psychological
> >or psycho-sociological interpretation applied to the critical
> >social behavior, even if the complexity of the theory of the malpractice
at
> >Lacan is political in itself; In more precise terms theses
interpretations
> >kill politics to which it explains. Being in metapolitics (Ryan said
> >otherwise politics, and no utopie) the percept of which I approve.
>
> >That is why, to avoid a confusion, I would personally be very interested
> >that one of the thematic guardians concerned in his(her,its) work or its
> >artistic creation by Lacan explains to us clearly in what consists
according
> >to him the theory of the malpractice of Freudian psychoanalysis and / or
the
> >difference at Lacan. Please Kate, of Bracha Ettinger, could you lighten
> >us ?
>
> I think these differences are really key to these discussions on
> transgressions, and were highlighted by James  in his earlier post
> >>To me it seems to be closer to the idea
> >>of karma, missing the interconnectedness (the target board) of all
things.
> >>Rather than breaking ("across, over, or beyond") a rule set by some
> >>distant omniscient judge watching the sport. Anyone who has read Sherry
> >> Simon's great book, "Gender in Translation" would understand that even
> >> moving across languages is to negotiate complexities of power and
> >> identity, politics and history in many forms.
>
>
> I'm interested in trying to understand what's at stake in the different
> meanings of transgression as articulated by Lacan, Zizek, Bataille,
> Foucault, and also by Bracha Ettinger, Griselda Pollock, Rosi Braidotti,
> Donna Haraway.
>
> For example, Lacan believes that "without a transgression there is no
access
> to jouissance, and [...] that that is precisely the function of the Law.
> Transgression in the direction of jouissance only takes place if it is
> supported by the oppositional principle, by the forms of the Law."
> (Jacques Lacan. The Ethics of Psychoanalysis. Tavistock: Routledge, 1992,
>  p.177).
>
> Foucault, on the other hand argues that transgression "must be liberated
> from the scandalous or subversive, that is, from anything aroused by
> negative associations. Transgression does not seek to oppose one thing to
> another, nor does it achieve its purpose through mockery or by upsetting
the
> solidity of foundations [...] Transgression is neither violence in a
divided
> world (in an ethical world) nor a victory over limits (in a dialectical or
> revolutionary world); and exactly for this reason, its role is to measure
> the excessive distance that it opens at the heart of the limit and to
> trace the flashing line that causes the limit to arise. Transgression
> contains nothing negative, but affirms the limitlessness into which it
leaps
> as it opens this zone to existence for the first time."
> (Michel Foucault. A Preface to Transgression, in Bouchard, D. (ed.)
> Language, counter-memory, practice: selected essays and interviews, p.
33).
>
>
> Whilst Georges Baitaille suggests that "transgression does not deny the
> taboo, but transcends and completes it"
>
> (George Bataille, Erotism: Death and Sensuality, San Francisco: City Light
> Books, 1986, p. 63
> cited in Audrone Zukauskaite, 'Transgression in a Sentimental Style,' in
> Eurozine, http://www.eurozine.com/article/2003-05-06-zukauskaite-en.html)
>
>
>
> bw
> Kate
>
>
>
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