Re: [-empyre-] transgression anyway

[Eduardo Navas <eduardo@navasse.net>]

Hello Everyone,

Quite an intense convesation--I've been following it and have been meaning
to reply to many posts, then more keep coming.

At this point, I don't have a comment but instead a question for Aliette:
What do you think of Wark's Manifesto?  I think we need some exegesis on
your part if we are to further the discussion.

If you would not mind exemplifying on your links and your position, I will
then be ready to reply to the recent posts.

Best,

Eduardo Navas

On 4/10/05 11:09 PM, "hight@34n118w.net" <hight@34n118w.net> wrote:

>> What is the line between tech fetish and intellectual rebel fetish and
> the discussion of this "new" voice?     The good hacker works with
> security systems and tests bugs and holes but is benign.  The bad
> hacker......well, i'd be a fool to even bother to redundantly define
> this.  Isn't it really dangerous to glamourize this outlaw stance and
> shadow mythology?  This is what creates the malignant hacker ( the
> manifesto even says so).  The dangerous rebel is exciting to analyze at a
> distance, but that distant voice if reiterated in publication seems very
> dangerously equivalent to just making this invisible netherworld and
> impotent virulence seem that much sexier to more awkward 15 year olds
> bored in school.
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> Hell, I was one myself; I tested highly gifted and still did the answers
> in my head, was anooyed and tuned out for a while as i still wasn't
> challenged.  I think the academic community really needs to be careful
> about what seems sexy in discourse.  I have had several major virus
> attacks over the years ruin files, require complete re-installation of
> the hard drive etc....
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> This manifesto is a call to arms, nothing more.
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> jeremy
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> We have to reinvent; if we went out of the era of the production (of the
>> criticism of the political economy) then let us take place beyond the
>> question of the technique as resource of class: which possesses it, who
>> produces thanks it, who fires his resource from it, etc...?
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>> But ubiquity of hypermedia and the recent laws of control which accompany
>> it: what do you think of? What transgression (malpractice) is possible
>> which
>> can be otherwise watched or only of the mist expert hackers? (thus far
>> from
>> the common social practice shared in the every day life?)
>> 
>> We are far from situtationnists in that case.
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>> I know well that there is a position at the same moment new, poetic, but
>> ambiguous
>> at the same time -traditionally political- of McKenzie Wark in A to hacker
>> manifesto (of which personally I get ready to publish the long version to
>> French-speaking territories with his agreement; because I followed the
>> development of this text since the first version in subsol - that we have
>> translated to our symposium in 2002- until the publication by Harvard
>> Press -in any case) and moreover: what do you think of it concerning the
>> theme of this debate?
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>> http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/WARHAC.html
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>> http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=a+hacker+manifesto&btnG=Recherche+Google&;
>> meta=
>> (but I am sure that you know of Ken -ever you feel good ever you feel bad
>> of
>> him - personally he sis a friend of me but I can hear any criticisms - and
>> I
>> make so for any one by myself)
>> http://www.criticalsecret.com/n10/A%20HACKER%20MANIFESTO/index.php (short
>> version and translation)
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>> http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors0/warktext.html
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>> His conference during our symposium
>> http://www.criticalsecret.com/n10/McKENZIE%20WARK/ (bi-lingual) " Escape
>> from the dual empire "
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>> http://www.criticalsecret.com/n10/index.php#sommaire
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>> Frankly what you do think?
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>> ""You will go at the church and say of your voice: "God is dead" " of the
>> Stasbourg manifesto is far from us... Or say: hypermedia -that of the
>> early
>> time of Free media- is dead and say it online. Could you imagine that? -or
>> not possible.
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>> We are addict with the hypermedia, addict with the transitive
>> communication
>> in real time and all that... But for another part it is our peculiar
>> knowledge, this way to invent of a part of us, this way to meet together
>> with this part and to meet all anyway from East to West and from North to
>> South of the planet and much more: so what right now?
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>> And this another vision of the hacker as the mentor?
>> http://cybercrimes.net/Property/Hacking/Hacker%20Manifesto/HackerManifesto.ht
>> ml
>> where transgression is the subject.
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>> (all the contrary of the situationnism: so what? which changes and
>> differences of our times is it designed in such texts?)
>> 
>> A.
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