Re: [-empyre-] Re: "hooded children of the revolution"

[feralysis@earthlink.net]

localized systems of exchange that remain dependent on global corporate infrastructure and production to exist are tenuous--they break down easily when challenged. what is our fortification? 

while it may be possible that due to fuel shortages "the political reality (inequalities) of the body aren't any more likely to be up for discussion." they will exist and will be addressed. how? (given sustained global and local conditions of economic and social disparity based on entrenched systems of global distribution of capital and corporate-military presence---pronounced cultural reliance on a steady stream of visual information---apparent surveilance of bodies through cell phones, computers, tv, etc.)

i'm baking bread in a canyon somewhere near a few nodes. how is this place different from a survivalist camp except that it isn't as well fortified? it is hard to imagine a circumstance more oppressive than the one we are in currently, but when I squint my eyes at it this one comes close. i want to be in Portugal and Paris.

might the unspoken promise of gift economy be that it will erase the need to actively concern for people who aren't gifted? Hard to say. notions of a gift economy remain just that--highly speculative and subjective terms of exchange that are based in shared social values and position and hunches, comfort, moods, food. what is our connection to one another in exchange? where does that connection/exchange get spent? 

multivalent voices, decentralized structures--i agree with those who now say these critical articulatons are hopeful--but they lagged behind technology and political reality so that they only seem to retrace current conditions (minus the ugly bits) ultimately serving interests of those in power, or those with something to sell.

speaking of GPS underwear, I also always felt like the nomad-node thing was just a disorganized death march.--"just keep it moving...keep it movin'..inside, it's like imagining the best thing you can do is not get caught---outside, it's like watching a bad horror movie where your always looking at the back of some soon-to-be-dead-head walk into an empty parking lot in search of a lost kitten. 

Culturally speaking, I can't seem to shake the feeling that I'm just missing something enormous, eminent and wonderful and that at least one of you is here to say so. Bet you didn't see that one coming.

In the end, i need you, my friends, my nodes. I'm worried about us not having a real plan for fortifying ourselves, ability to exchange w/one another privately even if we wanted to..and so on.

Cara

Ryan wrote:

"The workshops i attended were about the potential for community and 
localized interests of wireless networks (mostly mesh-based).
There certainly is a lot of strong belief in the ability of these 
particular technologies to really reform the way communities are able 
to communicate and collaborate in ways that move away from a 
commodity-dependent system (to the extent that you still need at least 
a radio shack and a best buy to get the basic gear, not to mention the 
backbone infrastructure of a major telcom). there were some people with 
pretty strong opinions that mesh networks (that operate via nodes that 
connect from house to house, basically decentralizing communication 
among themselves - as opposed to a hub and spoke system) are inherently 
more democratic.

mostly, i share this optimism and desire to make something of this 
technology beyond a way to play games and buy more stuff.
but it's interesting to think about this in relation to the larger 
history that Cara brings up (language and commerce).
we're looking to high tech to return us to a more localized form of 
commerce, basically.

and the interesting thing to me (and where this dovetails oddly into 
the peak oil comments made earlier), is that this may end up becoming 
salient, not because of politics, but because of necessity. in which 
case, the political reality (inequalities) of the body aren't any more 
likely to be up for discussion. it could actually close down any 
discussion pretty quickly.

but perhaps that's why it's important that the people driving the 
localization of networks at this point are working from a "political" 
subject position as much as anything.
i realize that this may be getting away from the commodification topic 
a bit, but maybe it's not so far off. how do notions of a "gift 
economy" follow or deviate from the rules of classical commerce? and 
does the form necessitate politics? is a mesh network (which is also 
the military's design for the internet btw) de facto more democratic 
and less oppressive?"

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