[-empyre-] A correction on Armenian genocide

[Aliette <aliette@criticalsecret.org>]

Please HG, can be you are sincere but it would be a mistake whatever your
testimony, I am so sorry to correct it...

Not to amalgamate! The history of modern Turkey is very special.

Please Ana, to know exactly what regarding the actual context of formation
of EU, why may be Bush hope to dissolve the recognition of the Armenian
genocide.

1. Armenian genocide was not from the part of Islam to Christians, Armenian
genocide was from the part of the following  emergency of "young Turks"
modern power, a movement that was a laic movement (atheist); from which
moreover we can understand in what it could inspire Hitler then making
himself of Turkey one of his allies...

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/encyclopedia/young_turks.htm

2. The question of Bush absolving Turkey of Armenian genocide regards
strictly the EU question of integration of Turkey;-) EU refusing Turkey if
it does not claim an international recognition of the Armenian genocide,
while Bush having a big feet in Turkey hope to make increase his weight in
Europe. With Poland and Turkey the EU borders of the East from Federation of
Russia to Turkey would be well acquired by the American intervention...

So what: the question of this sort of conceptual alliance with Lewis
certainly be pragmatic but probably opportunist? from their part.

Whatever the regard to Armenian genocide by Islam being historically false
it manifests a misinformation by error.

I am sorry, it is not against somebody but to tribute ...

A.




On 23/07/06 18:12, "Ana Valdes" <agora158@gmail.com> probably wrote:

> Interesting discussion about genocides. Yesterday I read that Bernard
> Lewis, Bush and the neocons favorite Islamolog, has denied the
> Armenian genocide and been judged to pay ammends in France.
> It's confirm my skepsis against all the biased "research" Lewis make
> about Islam.
> Ana
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/23/06, G. H. Hovagimyan <ghh@thing.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Ana Valdes wrote:
>> 
>>> The Christian fundamentalism, used in the colonization of the New
>>> World, South America, Asia and Africa, erased old cultures and burned
>>> on the stake priests and shamans. Old temples and shrines were put to
>>> fire and destroyed, in the old mosques Christian churches were
>>> builded.
>> 
>> gh responds:
>> 
>> All religions destroy the holy spots of the nations they conquer and
>> build their temples on the same spot. Think about Istanbul and the
>> Hagia Sophia which was the largest church in Christendom until the
>> Turks overran Byzantium. The 80 year period of the Al Andalus was a
>> very small part of the competing Moslem empires. An eighty year golden
>> age in a 1300 year history of Moslem conquest and empires is not much
>> to brag about.  You may be ashamed of your Christian heritage, but as
>> an Armenian I can say that the Moslem Turks perpetrated the first
>> modern genocide on the Armenian Christians. The Armenian Genocide
>> became the inspiration for Hitlers' final solution for the Jews. Which
>> brings us back to the discussion of Bare Life. From my perspective I
>> grew up in an Armenian community where everyone had a story about the
>> genocide. It was the collective mythos of the Armenian community. For
>> instance my Grandmother was sent here in 1915 to escape the genocide.
>> She was sent with her brother and an orphan from the village. They came
>> in steerage to America. She was 15 years old. Her brother contracted an
>> eye infection on the trip over which later left him blind. They were
>> almost refused entry because of the infection. The Armenians are not
>> any better having just recently started a war with Azerbaijan and
>> pushed out all the Azeris from their homes in the Ngorno-Karabach
>> region.
>> 
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