Re: [-empyre-] Modern Antiques

["Christiane Robbins @ Jetztzeit" <cpr@mindspring.com>]

Christopher -


Interesting discussion once again - by way of reaction:

Doesn't it always return to zero .... or is that merely the conceit of hack?


Chris

-----Original Message-----
>From: Christophe Bruno <christophe.bruno@unbehagen.com>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2006 5:48 AM
>To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Modern Antiques
>
>I?d like to react to both G.H. and Millie?s posts. I agree with G.H. when he 
>says we should focus on art instead of philosophy. Still, I have a comment 
>to that:
>
>As a French Bourgeois Postmodern artist :-(  I consider philosophical 
>concepts as furniture in my house, I can repaint them or trade them as I 
>whish. Indeed, as there has been a transition from market capitalism to 
>network capitalism, from manufactured objects to delocalized conceptual 
>commodities, we now have to consider the inverse trend: going back to older 
>media, plain objects, furniture... but, hopefully, without dropping what we 
>learned from net.art.
>
>This was the original intuition by Blank & Jeron or by Valery Grancher when 
>he made his first webpainting in 1998 (he refers to Picabia, Jasper Johns 
>etc.), or Miltos Manetas with his internet paintings...
>
>I?m very much influenced by this ironical idea of the ?retour des choses? as 
>we would say in french. What is the most stupid thing you can do when you 
>are a net.artist: the answer is: painting a website on a canvas. What was 
>the most stupid thing I could do, with my epiphanies: replacing the computer 
>with a human being.
>
>I think this provides interesting conceptual loops at the age of 
>globalization:
>0) Human beings speak
>1) Google hacks all the speeches of mankind
>2) I hack Google in return
>3) From this double hack, a human being speaks (the human browser) and we 
>are back to 0), but we made a very big loop ;-)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "G.H.Hovagimyan" <ghh@thing.net>
>To: <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 3:02 PM
>Subject: [-empyre-] Modern Antiques
>
>
>So we?re supposed to riff off whether Modernism is our Classicism.  I
>need to figure out which Modernism we are talking about and from whose
>view point?
>
>As an American I generally think of the modern world as starting with
>the French and American revolutions. Both are Bourgeois revolutions.
>OK, that means the end of Medieval social structures ( you know, kings,
>serfs)  and the establishment of the Bourgeoisie ideals of science and
>business and private property.
>Personally I don?t think the Modern world has ended.  If anything, the
>ideals of Science and Business keep spreading.
>Anyway , I?m an artist so I think about art, art history and what I?m
>doing as an artist. I believe that Christiane pointed out that there
>are different definitions of Modernity.
>
>Modern Art it seems to me has three main threads that distinguish it
>from earlier forms;
>1. Deconstruction or a ?Scientistic? approach to art making that
>involves applying scientific principals to art. This includes a
>dissection of the elements of art and the investigation of it?s
>components.
>2. The game of art or art as a language game. People often talk about
>this as ?art for arts sake? or art that is about other art.  An amusing
>project is to read some of the 10,000 plus manifestos produced by
>artists in the 20th century.  This list is part of that tradition.
>3. Perhaps the most interesting thread and the most telling is
>performance art. This is a creative process that is not tied to theater
>and depends on media tools (cameras, recorders, computers) to verify or
>document its? existence.
>
>Obviously, this may be overly simple but I?d rather discuss art than
>philosophy. I also believe in elevating art rather than debasing it or
>subsuming it to some other discipline such as philosophy or science or
>politics.
>As for art and politics, I really believe that being an artist is a
>political act in and of itself. It is an engagement is a high level
>discourse with the political/social arena. It is similar to the
>dialog/discourse between sculpture and archtecture.
>
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