Re: [-empyre-] Les Exilés du dialogue

[Aliette <aliette@criticalsecret.org>]

I deeply disagree with this.

It is properly the ultimate question that Heidegger has quote. From a part
the radical evil (the extreme point of the thought which sense cannot be
assumed by the thinker, can reverse), running with: from another part the
"natural" limit of human mind. I guess that there is not an experimented
thinker who does not believe in God who has not reached this limit with
terror one or another day.

If

" that we are irrevocably tied to our
> specific protocol as evolving Code and persons.  The
> destiny of thought being to die, like the destiny of
> the species, leaves us knowing thought must never
> devour the distance it maintains from itself, that
> indeed, it now devours as it clones itself."

It is really some relevant and emergent remark from Baudrillard's writings,
but you leave a large part from him such as the stochastic multiplicity (of
the crossing references) and the illusion - as fantasy. Have to produce what
will be astonishing (what Ken says in his fragment to Lotringer). Or you do
not give sense to the human life (the question of the existential divide may
find an answer by the suicid: that is not the choice of Baudrillard).

Or you plagiarize by cloning. Not plagiarizing by creating.

Yes but No. 

Thanks Nietzsche, the essay, and Poetry (Hölderlin):

Because the "eternal retour" as a perfectible destiny from the chance of the
returning circle, appearing a gift - being else a spiral...  and the
immanence of being (not of god): something as event hapenning from the
thought that can be predictable but not assured.

More: never the proper event at the view of others even you as other at your
proper view (a request from Jean) is predictable as program from the specie.
What you say values only the human concrete productions, not their capacity
of produce virtual objects.
.

It is in this sense the radical sadness appeals the Fantasy as essay for be
existentially assumed as human collective mode.


On 11/03/07 16:50, "Nicholas Ruiz III" <editor@intertheory.org> probably
wrote:

> Can life exceed representation without subscription to
> Deity?  I doubt it.  A physical location is at once a
> representation: in light, manner, concept, appearance,
> thought and so on.
> 
> One's Code is not a destiny, but this in no way
> releases us from its currency, its natural
> environment, its marketplace of selections.  La
> monnaie vivante, no?  And this has nothing to do wtih
> activism or democratic space, until we render such
> entities.  And even then, what is at stake are bodies.
> 
> The limit of thought is at the level of the species,
> the level of our particular Code.  There is a
> singularity and universal in play at such a point.
> Try to stop breathing for a few minutes, the Code's
> grip manifest as a need for oxygen becomes rather
> deafening quite quickly, a universal effect.  Singular
> effects are as simple as a DNA fingerprint, or the
> biometrics of one's voice or facial construction, or
> one's thought.
> 
> So, what did Baudrillard mean in that quote?  Only he
> could say.  But for myself, I will say that his words
> conjure an idea that expresses more than he would have
> attributed to it: that we are irrevocably tied to our
> specific protocol as evolving Code and persons.  The
> destiny of thought being to die, like the destiny of
> the species, leaves us knowing thought must never
> devour the distance it maintains from itself, that
> indeed, it now devours as it clones itself.
> 
> This is a bit like where Thomas Pynchon writes:
> 
> "From this height it was as if the Chums, who, out on
> adventures past, had often witnessed the vast herds of
> cattle adrift in ever-changing cloudlike patterns
> across the Western plains, here saw that unshaped
> freedom being rationalized into movement only in
> straight lines and at right angles and a progressive
> reduction of choices, until the final turn through the
> final gate that led to the killing-floor."
> 
> NRIII
> 
> 
> Dr. Nicholas Ruiz III
> Editor, Kritikos
> http://intertheory.org
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