Re: [-empyre-] Baudrillard's énoncé...

[Nicholas Ruiz III <editor@intertheory.org>]

Yes, as it must, because the real--evolves.

On seduction, well, there are mass seductions of the
fascist variety, we hardly approve of...but then there
are more intimate seductions, 'seducations,' if you
will, these can be life-affirming, notwithstanding so
much in the world to negate it.

What I like about Jean's take on 'America,' is its
realness--we are primitive, he sees this well, while
paradoxically, we are postmodern.  Jean?s prognosis of
this status is terminal: it ends with a paroxystic
phase of culture, of which we are the vanguard.

But as Warhol might have said (whom Baudrillard
admired so much), bad publicity is better than no
publicity, no?

Another problem however, is the hypothesis that
somehow, we can make all of this right again, as if
the world was ever something other than wrong from the
beginning.  Therein lies one magick of the
Baudrillardian pataphysical variety: he renders the
world as wrong in itself--the world as -les
malheureux- from which there is no escaping. Our
destiny then is, to see it through to its end.

Or as Cioran's translator might have put it in
English: 'all gall is divided' in the endgame of our
destiny.



--- Christina McPhee <christina112@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Yet then, it seems like we just have layers and
> layers of unfolding  
> text, algorithmic variations from arbitrary rules,
> the 'pataphysic' a  
> Veil of Maya --- doesn't the 'real' keep escaping
> to somewhere 'over there' , 'out there' 'alongside'
> -- sidereal?
> 
> 
> >
> Baudrillard via NR ---
> 
> >  of
> > carrying out, just as we have carried out a
> > deterministic analysis of a deterministic society,
> an
> > indeterministic analysis of an indeterministic
> > society, a society that is fractal, random,
> > exponential, one of critical mass and extreme
> > phenomena, wholly dominated by relations of
> > uncertainty."
> >
> 
> frankly i love the idea of being seduced :-)
> 
> > never to be seduced by the solicitous
> > rationalizations of the real.
> 
> Contingent spaces in landscape interest me because
> of the edges of  
> them, where something's (an object of desire?) 
> sneaking out, I keep  
> suspecting, something (oops) Real..  Baudrillard so
> fascinated
> by my own state of California, 'the only paradise,
> the last paradise,  
> mournful' ,   still references a paradise
> substituting for whatever  
> the 'real' ever was.  A completely
> indeterminate contingency=state, a 'state of mind' ;
> he longs to be  
> 'inside' it , apparently feels 'outside' it.  He
> can't rationalize  
> his longing, it makes no sense, he wants to be
> inside. Sounds sexy to  
> me.
> 
> bemused,
> 
> Christina
> 
> 
> 
> > NRIII
> >
> >
> >
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Dr. Nicholas Ruiz III
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