[-empyre-] Question

[sdv at krokodile.co.uk]

Jeremy,

Understood.

However I think that spam, whether it is art or not art remains spam. 
And spam is the perfect representation of the autocratic reign of the 
market economy, an irresponsible soveriegnty, as Debord (one of my 
favorite marxists) put it.  The question it seems to me is whether the 
artistic intention does something more than just generate more spam, 
more consumptive rubbish.

The argument I'd like to read, a manifesto if you prefer, is to explain 
why this action, this event, has some greater meaning than the cynicism 
that I after Debord feel towards the idea of spam-as-art.

steve

Jeremy Douglass wrote:
> To (hopefully) clarify my position, I don't claim that *all spam is 
> art*, but rather that *some art is also spam*. That unsolicited 
> messages can be artful isn't really a radical redefinition of art - it 
> seems to me more a commonsense observation on the facts of art 
> history, in every medium, whether rag broadsides or digital bulletin 
> board posts.
>
>  -- Jeremy
>
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:19, "sdv at krokodile.co.uk 
> <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk>" <sdv at krokodile.co.uk 
> <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Jason/all
>>
>> One of the now defunkt net-art lists was once inhabited by a 
>> net-artist who used to glory in the idea of spam-as-art, s/he had no 
>> reason, logical or otherwise for declaring that the spam and porn  
>> was  art but did so anyway. I suppose your justification is better 
>> than his, but if seperated from the in-joke it still seems to suffer 
>> from the same problem that 'spam-as-art' did, namely that it vanishes 
>> into the ever increasing amounts of endless rubbish that constitutes 
>> the net.
>>
>> However this snail mail joke is charming and might be suitably 
>> random  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm...
>>
>>
>>
>> s
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Nelson wrote:
>>> Sure......I suppose the same could be said for much of experimental
>>> fiction or abstract art etc....the idea that unexpected posts might
>>> appear to be spam at first is a valid concern.....
>>>
>>> but much like graffiti or other tagging, the art comes from posting
>>> something that both "fits in that net space" and creates an interesting
>>> part of a narrative or simply a pretty micro fiction or even a non
>>> sensical poem....
>>>
>>> these places where users can enter data and briefly express themselves
>>> are quickly becoming a powerful form of written communication and
>>> therefore we creative types must begin to explore those conduits 
>>> as venues/canvasses for interesting words....
>>>
>>> so I suppose I would throw it back to you and say write something
>>> that doesnt seem spam like.....
>>>
>>> cheers, Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, sdv at krokodile.co.uk <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk> <sdv at krokodile.co.uk <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> From: sdv at krokodile.co.uk <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk> <sdv at krokodile.co.uk <mailto:sdv at krokodile.co.uk>>
>>>> Subject: [-empyre-] Question
>>>> To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au <mailto:empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:44 AM
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Reading a few of the notes that have been written on the
>>>> net, I realized that I could see no difference between the
>>>> text and the average piece of spam that is automatically
>>>> deleted either from emails or sites.
>>>>
>>>> What justification can you produce for this proliferation
>>>> of text?
>>>>
>>>> s
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