[-empyre-] FW: lob

Thu May 15 17:06:58 EST 2008

> 
> "You are true Cara!!! precarity and starvation are central questions today.
> In argentina, post-industry don't mean nothing. We didn't have NEVER a real national industry. Is post-nothing.
> but then... your question is also our question."
> 
> Precarity: a useful category in Latin America?
> 
> there was an encurentro organized by Julia Risler and Martin Bergel in BA
> 
> http://estrecho.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21374/index.php
> 
> i'm not sure what came of it, but i heard the experience was both interesting and dificult.
> 
> brian
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:50:47 -0700
>> From: archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar
>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] expanded (CB)
>> To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>
>> Wonderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>> fulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
>> maillllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
>>
>> many images here dear Cara!
>> thank you very much.
>>
>> I have time today to read your words.
>>
>> pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs
>> pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs
>> pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs pigs
>>
>> great.
>> and thank you for Alberto Grecoooooooooooooooooo!
>>
>> un abrazo for Marc&Christina!
>>
>> Very important your commentary about migrations in America.
>> Is really very important.
>> I was 8 months last year in germany.
>> strongs feelings there, and one of them was the question about migration in argentina.
>> Catholic - Jewuis traditions are very strong tradition in argentina, they are in the "heart" of our mixed / mestiza society.
>> Black people was killed, as slaves or "soldiers" during the war against Paraguay.
>>
>> I imagine that protestant / calvinist, also paganismus is working in the migrations of North America.
>>
>> Because of all this "migrations" I like very much to know more about pre-hispanic cultures in America. Is a central part of my investigation with artistic methods.
>>
>> Very good the images of insite05!!!!! I like this! Thank you very much!
>>
>> The last part of your mail is a very good devolution,
>> I can say
>> YES YES YES, "we" CAN identify
>> material conditions that need to be addressed
>> without representing other!
>>
>> Because we will present them together,
>> like the blood of Genova in your mail.
>> Those red material conditions(saddly)are present.
>>
>>
>> For me is really a big challenge to identify these "material conditions"
>> that have still a potence living or able to live.
>>
>> My Walking Archives / Archivo Caminante tries to do this, not for putting them "in order", but to transport.
>>
>> You are true Cara!!! precarity and starvation are central questions today.
>> In argentina, post-industry don't mean nothing. We didn't have NEVER a real national industry. Is post-nothing.
>> but then... your question is also our question.
>>
>> eduardo
>>
>>
>>
>> Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
>> Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
>> Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
>> 0541 1 47 98 48 35
>>
>>
>> --- El dom 11-may-08, Jennifer Flores Sternad  escribió:
>>
>>> De: Jennifer Flores Sternad 
>>> Asunto: [-empyre-] expanded (CB)
>>> Para: "soft_skinned_space" 
>>> Fecha: domingo, 11 de mayo de 2008, 6:56 pm
>>> from cara baldwin
>>> (thank you, cara!)
>>>
>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>> From: Cara Baldwin 
>>> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:07:09 -0700
>>> To: "moarquech at yahoo.com.mx, soft_skinned_space"
>>> ,
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Re: expanded
>>>
>>> Conversation in an elevator, . looking at the stains on
>>> wood :
>>>
>>> --Which is better? This, or doing this?
>>>
>>> --This.
>>>
>>> --Bring him to see or bring them to see?
>>>
>>> --Bring them to see.
>>>
>>> Alberto Greco, from Manifesto Vivo-Dito, 1963
>>>
>>> back in the 90's (can't write this without using a
>>> crackly old man
>>> voice) i was saving barricades in my apartment for a rainy
>>> day. i put
>>> them on either side of the bridges that connected the city
>>> and they
>>> quietly disappeared. i changed my underwear in public and
>>> told
>>> everyone i was ana mendieta. learned about chicano cultural
>>> politics
>>> and activism. met collaborators and friends marc herbst and
>>> christina
>>> ulke and began years of conversation about anything we
>>> could imagine
>>> and do together. following seattle we found ourselves
>>> spending the
>>> summer in L.A. working with folks setting up an la
>>> indymedia for the
>>> 2000 democratic national convention. representation.
>>> organization, and
>>> lot's and lot's of
>>>
>>> pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. p pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs.
>>> pigs. pigs.
>>> pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs.
>>> pigs.
>>> pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs. pigs.
>>>
>>> brian holmes wrote about the "inflated art scenes of
>>> the 90s" and that
>>> to "be an activist then was not fashionable in any
>>> way, it was
>>> considered totally retrograde in artistic circles."
>>> critique at this
>>> time lacked currency materially and culturally (narrow
>>> sense of the
>>> word) from where i was standing. listening to someone
>>> slather on about
>>> 68 and a postcolonial theorist's incisive critique of
>>> metanarrative i
>>> wondered if the blood i'd seen in images of the diaz
>>> school around
>>> genoa g8 was part of someone i loved.
>>> http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/genova/pics4a.htm
>>>
>>> adorno's "there is no love that is not an
>>> echo." floating a desire to
>>> share the acoustic space in which we breath, speak, feel
>>> and act in a
>>> way that is occupied and open—but not like a yoga group.
>>>
>>> i also respond to eduardo molinari's approach to the
>>> expanded,
>>> particularly considering migration patterns across the
>>> americas and
>>> would only extend that history and migration (not just
>>> recent. not
>>> just one way). grimson and kessler's on argentina and
>>> the southern
>>> cone: neoliberalism and national imaginations, and
>>> dunbar-ortiiz's
>>> roots of resistance speak to this in a localized and
>>> concrete way.
>>>
>>> because of the relative economic stability in north america
>>> during
>>> 2000 most of the art i saw produced/reproduced in
>>> institutional
>>> contexts were either new media works of a post modern or
>>> minimalist
>>> aesthetic or frothy blown out paintings meant to illustrate
>>> 'networks
>>> and flows.' couldn't wait for something to disrupt
>>> that. through the
>>> democratic national convention mobilizations met sandra de
>>> la loza,
>>> working again with her, marc, christina and ryan griffis
>>> and robby
>>> herbst on collectively organized and community-based
>>> projects the 2004
>>> october surprise october surprise
>>> http://www.theoctobersurprise.org/
>>> and journal of aesthetics & protest
>>> http://www.joaap.org/ starting in
>>> 2001. the curator at the L.A. museum of contemporary art
>>> who organized
>>> the experimental exercise of freedom (with rina carvajal)
>>> needed an
>>> assistant— i was able to research and write about artists
>>> from
>>> central, south america and italy if i held my cards to my
>>> chest.
>>> actually, i was more like a child at the table who would
>>> reemerge
>>> occasionally sticky with cobwebs. cards can fit in your
>>> back pocket
>>> depending on who / where you are perceived to be. the
>>> emphasis on
>>> institutional critique at california institute of the arts
>>> was
>>> grounded even as it was too narrowly circumscribed. met
>>> etcetera last
>>> october without a joint, sadly. first saw their work in
>>> another
>>> institutional context at the centro cultural de tijuana at
>>> inSITE
>>> 2005. bill kelly and sandra were there as well. sunday
>>> morning as
>>> hurricane katrina wound toward new orleans bill kelly,
>>> sandra and i
>>> sat the golden glow of the haudenschildGarage listening to
>>> what i
>>> found fucked approaches to collectivity, mobility and
>>> 'cultural'
>>> exchange. everyone was wearing white linen except sandra
>>> and me who
>>> sat talking loudly shit (like children) in the back.
>>> http://www.insite05.org/internal.php?pid=17-357 women are
>>> among those
>>> compelled to learn early the many ways and to what extent
>>> representation and invisibility are useful.
>>>
>>> can 'we' identify material conditions that urgently
>>> need to be
>>> addressed w/out representing others? this is an open
>>> question and one
>>> we work from and through every day. i'm on an overpass
>>> with berries
>>> falling out of my mouth. precarity gives way to starvation
>>> at some
>>> point and i would like to address that. the black panther
>>> party
>>> breakfast program is art.
>>>
>>> in addition to 'post politics' what is meant by
>>> 'post industrial' at
>>> this moment?
>>>
>>> sorry, I know I'm not following form handing threads
>>> back in a tangled
>>> sticky ball.
>>>
>>> --
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> empyre forum
>>> empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>> http://www.subtle.net/empyre
>>
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