[-empyre-] What?

Tue May 20 12:43:41 EST 2008

Hello Andre,
this was the article!
what can I say?
I don't want to "walk trough walls" like these persons.
all the best,
eduardo

Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
0541 1 47 98 48 35

--- El lun 19-may-08, andre mesquita <andrelmesquita at gmail.com> escribió:

> De: andre mesquita <andrelmesquita at gmail.com>
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] What?
> Para: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Fecha: lunes, 19 de mayo de 2008, 4:27 pm
> Hi Eduardo, hi everybody....
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't know theses 'stories' about Roberto
> Jacoby! Besides Tucuman Arde, I
> remembered when he, Eduardo Costa and Raúl Escari made in
> 1966 an
> "anti-happening", "Un arte de los medios de
> comunicación"…
> 
> 
> 
> But well... "the art of war" it's
> terrible.... A good look in these article
> of Eyal Weizman, "Walking Through Walls" <
> http://transform.eipcp.net/transversal/0507/weizman/en>
> , should help to
> know more about these issue.....
> 
> 
> 
> best
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/5/19 naxsmash <naxsmash at mac.com>:
> 
> >
> >>
> > Cara, yes:  violence of words: cannibal words, exiles
> as evacuees--recipe,
> > eaten, shat out.
> >
> > re sesshu's:
> >
> > "body parts, you name it, they invented tags and
> codes: states.
> > sneeze all you want to, pointed verbs sticking out of
> every pore.
> > agriculture in california exacerbates a green edge on
> water-use."
> >
> > people as words being evacuated, being eaten consumed,
> water rushing, salt
> > water- cannot drink.
> >
> > a recipe / receipt
> >
> > http://christinamcphee.net/cinevid/recipe_inst.html
> >
> > "EVACUEE CAKE
> > I am in receipt of words provided to me
> > Those that indicate we are reciprocals put into pies,
> > those surgical ones leading to a common maceration
> > Metrical, non-metric, cage, skull,
> > test of bars as lexical conversions, receipt with
> variation,
> > kits of taste.
> >
> > Now wild words taste better so bitter whiskers against
> the bar
> > kitchen sashes, cull, play similars all
> >
> > similars as to grow evacuee cakes,
> > minerals down buttresses
> > leaks into grip-tie emergencies
> > grow the garrison
> >
> >
> > deposit milks marbled culprits            the littlest
> nutrient, the
> > biggest
> > new fairly voluptuous in liberty around
> > still muling
> > still nailing
> >
> > Let me ask you what you are trying to say.
> > We...
> > That's not what you said before. Name me five
> examples.
> > We...
> > You can't even do that simple thing?
> > We...
> > You live here for free. Pull your shit together.
> > we...
> > You're crying already?
> > we...
> > Get the fuck out of my vision."
> >
> > --
> > excerpt, from "Evacuee Cake," Molly McPhee
> 2007
> > .....
> > On May 19, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Cara Baldwin wrote:
> >
> > my post was a reflection on appropriation of voice and
> the violence of
> >> language. right now i'm thinking about the
> fremont indians. and water.
> >>
> >
> >
> >        From:   naxsmash at mac.com
> >        Date:   May 19, 2008 9:35:51 AM PDT
> >
> >        Subject:        Re: [-empyre-] el Bano de
> cultura
> >
> >
> > but this poem is at issue.  does it not contradict,
> even in its being
> > present over the jacoby quote - an over=inscription. ?
> >
> > we wrote sixteen pamphlets about iron oxide using
> match sticks.
> >> the surf ouched, the big hawk flew off the top of
> the tree.
> >> everybody who was somebody went to work, cows
> eaten alive.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 5/19/08 6:18 AM, "Eduardo Molinari"
> <archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear HW,
> >>> totally with you,
> >>> the quotation is really offensive,
> >>> but also, really old.
> >>> this "artist", Roberto Jacoby,
> >>> today, in my country, is one of the better
> examples
> >>> of the hierarchiq ways of organization of the
> culture / art system.
> >>>
> >>> He's like "the boss", with
> centralizated - concentrated styles,
> >>> the oposite of freedom.
> >>>
> >>> One quotation of the present of Jacoby:
> >>> last tuesday, he was part of a conference, in
> the university,
> >>> Sociology career. In an extracurricular
> seminare, he was invited to talk
> >>> about
> >>> "experimental societies", together
> with some groups that work connecting
> >>> art,
> >>> arquitecture and public space. Most of them,
> friends of him.
> >>>
> >>> That day (I was there, on the room) jacoby
> reads (to make reflections
> >>> about
> >>> arquitecture and public space, but also about
> ways of association)
> >>> close to 10 pages of the
> "deffensive" Israel Arm Forces.
> >>> "the art of war"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>> He put in connection war and arquitecture,
> because, on his thinkings,
> >>> the example of the jewish armies is clear.
> >>> He made a quotation of an interview of an
> officer, that explained
> >>> the new arguments of the militar education in
> Israel: Delleuze, Guattari
> >>> and
> >>> Foucault. The point is that a new way of
> making war is working:
> >>> the militar forces are "espontanous,
> polimorf" and work like the
> >>> organization
> >>> of the bees.
> >>> He also said that is necesary to talk about a
> "violence that must be
> >>> tolerate"
> >>> by "the audience".
> >>>
> >>> For me was like a surrealist situation, but it
> was not a joke.
> >>> He never said some critic commentary about his
> own quotation.
> >>>
> >>> I think that Cara don't know nothing about
> the present position of this
> >>> man.
> >>> He really betrayed all his "young"
> words.
> >>>
> >>> Also, during the 90 he was the
> "boss" of Venus project, until that moment
> >>> of
> >>> ramona magazine. Always (in the middle of the
> destruction of all the
> >>> historical rights of workers, but also of the
> education, health systems
> >>> in
> >>> Argentina, and of course the "sold
> out" politic of our resources and
> >>> services
> >>> national companies) talking about
> "experimental societies",
> >>> about "friendship technologies",
> "desire money", "beauty and happiness".
> >>>
> >>> Today he's the "boss" of RIAA, a
> traditional neoliberal residence system.
> >>>
> >>> what can I say?????
> >>> sorry, this is not a good argentine example
> for me!!!!
> >>>
> >>> Is necesary to de-mistified Tucuman Arde!
> >>> It will not be good for our present troubles
> to go to the past again and
> >>> again.
> >>> We need a new vision.
> >>>
> >>> thank you for your words!
> >>> Cara! you must investigate more about this
> person, today.
> >>>
> >>> eduardo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
> >>> Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
> >>> Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
> >>> 0541 1 47 98 48 35
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- El lun 19-may-08, h w
> <misterwarwick at yahoo.com> escribió:
> >>>
> >>> De: h w <misterwarwick at yahoo.com>
> >>>> Asunto: [-empyre-] What?
> >>>> Para: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> >>>> Fecha: lunes, 19 de mayo de 2008, 1:49 am
> >>>> Carla quoted Jacoby:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------
> >>>> Art² has no importance; it is
> >>>> life that counts. Art is the history of
> the years to come.
> >>>> It is the
> >>>> creation of the most gigantic collective
> work in history:
> >>>> the conquest
> >>>> of the earth, the conquest of freedom by
> and for all men.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1963 Mensaje en el Di Tella, Roberto
> Jacoby
> >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Conquest of the Earth, eh? Like any
> conquest, it shows a
> >>>> complete and
> >>>> dismissive disregard for the conquered.
> And in the Great
> >>>> War between
> >>>> "Man" and "Nature" I
> can assure you all
> >>>> that "Nature" cares even less
> >>>> about "Man" than "Man"
> does of
> >>>> "Nature", and in the great
> struggle
> >>>> between "Man" and
> "Nature":
> >>>>
> >>>> "NATURE" WINS EVERY TIME. NO
> EXCEPTIONS.
> >>>>
> >>>> If the conquest of nature is the price we
> pay for Art, then
> >>>> I humbly
> >>>> suggest we abandon Art before Nature
> abandons us.
> >>>>
> >>>> That quote by Jacoby is one of the most
> offensive and
> >>>> arrogant bits of
> >>>> errant ego-centric suicidal idiocy I have
> read in a very
> >>>> long time.
> >>>> But, hey - Better living through
> chemistry!
> >>>>
> >>>> As humanity stands at the precipice of
> extinction, sesshu
> >>>> in LA typed:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> imagination contends with illusion and
> barks, disconsolate
> >>>> squeak.
> >>>> body parts, you name it, they invented
> tags and codes:
> >>>> states.
> >>>> sneeze all you want to, pointed verbs
> sticking out of every
> >>>> pore.
> >>>> agriculture in california exacerbates a
> green edge on
> >>>> water-use.
> >>>> i saw something the other day, it was a
> woman on her
> >>>> cellphone.
> >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Good move, butch, let me know how that
> works out for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Alliette? Christina? I'm sure you all
> have something
> >>>> sensible to say
> >>>> about all this...
> >>>>
> >>>> HW
> >>>>
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> >>
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> >
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> > naxsmash at mac.com
> >
> >
> > christina mcphee
> >
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> > http://naxsmash.net
> >
> >
> >
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