[-empyre-] networked_art

Sat Oct 3 12:34:52 EST 2009

Hello.  I've seen the site and love the idea.  It does look like a lot of
reading, but it seems to be possible to get a general feel for it quickly.
Not sure in which direction you want to take the project, though.  Do you
want to bring together specific themes, or specific people, or specific
discussion topics?  As it is right now I cannot see what the cohesion among
the pieces is or is meant to be.  Free-flowing rhyzomes of thought, as
Johannes points out, already exist in the www, in different types of media.
Anyhow, this project gives me ideas for a project of my own, which I would
like to launch very soon, on musicscapes in the city of Merida, where I
live.  Thanks for the inspiration,

Gabriela

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On 10/2/09 7:15 PM, "Anna Munster" <a.munster at unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> small point of clarification: there's no imperative to go and read the whole
> Networked book now to join in the discussion this month.  As Johannes points
> out there's quite a lot there! But we are all hoping that people might have a
> look at the site initially so that they can follow some of the ideas
> especially about *designing* and *writing* toward an open history, as Jo so
> beautifully put it!
> 
> We also hope that the project will entice people back over time and that they
> do contribute and comment and that the authors take that participation on,
> think critically about the feedback they are getting, reflect and perhaps
> change their thought in relation to encounters with the thought of others.
> 
> The question of time is here a crucial one and from the beginning of this
> discussion we're already seeing some interesting comments about this: the time
> one needs to write, to write collaboratively, to think, to reflect, to act, to
> be in the moment in history, to be beyond that moment in order to gain
> understanding and so on. I'm very glad these questions are being raised right
> at the beginning of the month as I think they are crucial ones for
> contemporary thought and conceptual production....
> 
> anna
> 
> A/Prof. Anna Munster
> Director of Postgraduate Research (Acting)
> Deputy Director Centre for Contemporary Art and Politics
> School of Art History and Art Education
> College of Fine Arts
> UNSW
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> Paddington
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> ________________________________________
> From: empyre-bounces at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> [empyre-bounces at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Johannes Birringer
> [Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk]
> Sent: Saturday, 3 October 2009 6:19 AM
> To: soft_skinned_space
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] networked_art
> 
> dear all:
> 
> happy October to all.
> 
> Am i understanding your invitation to mean, Anna & Helen, that we are asked to
> read http://networkedbook.org/   .............alongside and with the empyre
> debate here?
> how many networked books/writings about networked_art  are there now, five,
> eight?
>  and i see the blogs.....Anna's "Data Undermining" is 34 pages long ("pages"
> once you copy and paste the blogessay into something that can be printed out).
> This promises to be a heavy month, and is there s u c h much  time to read and
> read-write?
> 
> and speaking of much time, or time to be had to think, after experiencing
> one's artistic or other work , and others' artistic and other work,  i tend to
> believe that media theory cannot be written today and tomorrow and for the
> next week.
> 
> If you suggest, Anna, that >>This is very interesting because it suggests that
> networked scholarly or perhaps theoretical writing about contemporary media
> and media arts has the potential to perform a transformative role in media
> history *canons*>>, you may be onto something (but transformational is a
> religious concept of course and I am a non believer)
> that has become live, lively, for example also in the debates (on CRUMB)
> regarding curating the time-based arts or digital arts, or in educational or
> political debates about the need for art or funding or venues, and then there
> are many more debates,  but one perhaps cannot confuse the liveliness with the
> reflective and critical process of writing histories or media
> histories.......i do hope the books on Now don't appear now or  tomorrow, but
> in a while, so one can look back further as well.
> 
> I am not sure i say what i mean.
> But i wonder whether websites and blogs, blog comments and
> postings/repostings, YouTubes and other new networked/distributed
> disseminations,  or so-called collaborative editings, -- "Schnipsel" in german
> (fragmented bits) ---   amount to an embodied pedagogy or studio practice (not
> to speak at all here of physical traditions)  that relates to what you call
> the canon  (our cultural, literary and artistic traditons or cultural
> knowledges?) and if they do, how to create formation, or influence the museum
> and the institutions of HE? --  the professor as the contemporary knowledge
> dj, re-mixing tapes for the next student blog?    I have to read Gregory
> Ulmer's Learning Screen/Electracry, cannot comment on it yet.
> 
> small example --  I went to Alan Sondheim's website
> (http://www.alansondheim.org/)n  recently, to see whether there might be text
> that could be used to reflect on dance and Second Life, something my students
> or dancers could grapple with.  I found this data site, and had no real time
> to start the data undermining
> so Sondheim will not quite collaborate on canon formation for me.
> 
> PS
> 
> I did show "Aletsch" (a film he made) in the studio today, a formidable,
> gripping work.  It's not available online, and is not coeditable.
> ah, there is a bit (extraction):
> what you get online, is a Schnipsel
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhS08Kro70I&NR=1
> Since it has religious connotations and antedates Chris Crocker ("Leave
> Britney Alone"), it is worth stuudying perhaps.
> 
> 
> 
> with many regards
> Johannes Birringer
> DAP Lab
> London
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: empyre-bounces at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au on behalf of Anna Munster
> Sent: Fri 10/2/2009 9:37 AM
> To: soft_skinned_space
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] networked_art
> 
> 
> Thanks for that insight into your own motivations Helen, I look forward to
> also hearing from Jo about where she was coming from in terms of initiating
> the project.
> But I wanted to pick up on a couple of things in your post:
> 
> You said:
> <But, as Mizuko Ito says in her excellent introduction to "Networked Publics",
> the problem, for those of us struggling to understand the transformations
> taking place, is that they -- the transformations -- are impossible to
> understand at the time they take place.>
> 
> and then:
> 
> < the need for "other" histories. The ones familiar to us were written
> yesterday....Today there are more media theorists; they understand more; we
> need their perspectives; we need new histories, multiple interpretations. And
> we need them - not a year from now when today's views might appear in hard
> cover already well worn, but online, where every interested person can see and
> respond to them today.>
> 
> This is very interesting because it suggests that networked scholarly or
> perhaps theoretical writing about contemporary media and media arts has the
> potential to perform a transformative role in media history *canons*. You also
> referred later in your post to Stein's idea about the shifting role of the
> 'prof' from traditional transmitter of knowledge to a facilitator - almost
> like a networked platform itself, which disperses, aggregates, queries and
> distributes ideas.
> 
> In keeping with some of those ideas, would you think of a project like
> Networked as a new kind of *text_book*, one which doesn't distill, summarise
> and codify the cannon but rather one aimed at generating a critical thinking
> with (rather than about) networks?
> 
> best
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
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