[-empyre-] diapers art.

Sat Mar 20 11:24:41 EST 2010

and with the pleasurable community experience and almost everything being accepted as art, there will be no incentive to ask questions or to create anything new and unique. In a lecture, Dave Hickey said something to the effect of ... 'if art is everything, then there is no art'.  

> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:45:15 -0500
> From: csulli at saic.edu
> To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au; csulli at saic.edu
> CC: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] diapers art.
> 
> whoops hit send accidentally, as aI was saying...there is no incentive for the
> child to  become potty trained. In much of the art academy, there are also
> classes that give a pleasurable experience of connectedness, and
> collaboration,
>  and even presumed social relevance (community gardens, etc.) but really do
> nothing to help artists create a vision of something unique or new, and also to
> create work that can be read on many levels. The class becomes a group of like
> thinkers supporting each other,, and not asking fundamental questions. 
> sometimes learning how to think, is not fun. exciting, but not always fun. 
> 
> once during a lecture on how to write grants and artist proposals, a student
> asked.."how do I get grants if I have not finished anything?" to which I said,
> "well I hope you don't" The student wanted the feel of the artist life, but no
> actual evaluation of quality. the simulacrum.
> Chris
> 
> Quoting christopher sullivan <csulli at saic.edu>:
> 
> > 
> > also, if the diaper is comfortable, there is no incentive for the child to
> > become potty trained. Chris
> > 
> > Quoting davin heckman <davinheckman at gmail.com>:
> > 
> > >  I ran
> > > > into the case of the disposable diaper and the result it has had in
> > > > increasing by an average of several years now how long it takes for
> > > children to be potty
> > > > trained. On the surface it is valuable to eliminate children's
> > discomfort
> > > by
> > > > optimizing the diaper.
> > > > In fact current diapers increase general comfort by expanding in a
> > > > soothing way and becoming warm. Likewise diaper changers appreciate all
> > > > the gadgets to facilitate the change.
> > > > The problem here is that the same object (the result of dozens of years
> > of
> > > > prototyping and field testing) is ergonomic at one time scale and not at
> > a
> > > larger one
> > > > in time or at the scale of an entire society.
> > > 
> > > What a brilliant example!  These sorts of discussions circulate in
> > > natural parenting groups.  And, in fact, various conceptions of
> > > comfort circulate around discussions of cloth diapers.  On the one
> > > hand, there is an argument that children wearing cloth diapers get
> > > uncomfortable faster, learning to associate the feeling of having to
> > > pee with immediate discomfort, which alters the parent/child dynamic
> > > in such a way that you change your child's diapers more quickly and
> > > frequently, your child might hold it for longer periods of time, and
> > > will also potty train sooner.  Beyond this, there are folks who
> > > advocate different kinds of cloth diapers, as well as no diapers (this
> > > method requires extremely close living, learning to recognize signs,
> > > and develop awareness at an early stage).
> > > 
> > > But at its fundamental level, you (and Cynthia, too, in reaching
> > > towards an open exchange of knowledge in your fine arts program) are
> > > gesturing here towards developing singular relationships based in
> > > trial and error, adaptation and refinement.  I suppose the utopian
> > > aspect of this type of emergent consciousness is that it is utterly
> > > directed at improving the communication between two very different
> > > people.  It cannot restrict itself to a single quality (comfort) and,
> > > in fact, resists any effort to reduce relationships to a simple
> > > measure of "effectiveness."  In each case, it involves seeking out the
> > > other's needs, seeking the other's desires, recognizing the other's
> > > limitations.....  bringing these uneven and changing considerations
> > > closer to one's own needs, desires, limitations (all of which, I would
> > > argue, might be just as surprising as those of the other, when put
> > > into conversation with the other)....  and forging a relationship that
> > > is itself just as rich as any of its constituent parts.  Of course
> > > these things to do not always come up roses, but I'd like to think
> > > that the terrain of community/communication itself is just as
> > > rewarding as the ends which we seek.
> > > 
> > > As usual, I've gone on too long.  But, I should also recommend an
> > > article by Irving Goh (which was recommended to me by a bright light
> > > name Nick Knouf) on Structural Rejects:
> > > http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/theory_and_event/v012/12.1.goh.html  It
> > > works very well with the discussions we are having here.
> > > 
> > > Davin
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> > 
> > 
> > Christopher Sullivan
> > Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
> > School of the Art Institute of Chicago
> > 112 so michigan
> > Chicago Ill 60603
> > csulli at saic.edu
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> 
> 
> Christopher Sullivan
> Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
> School of the Art Institute of Chicago
> 112 so michigan
> Chicago Ill 60603
> csulli at saic.edu
> 312-345-3802
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