[-empyre-] Process as paradigm / systems theory

[陈媛媛]

Dear Johannes

Hello, This is my first post on this list. Thanks Lucas and Susanne for inviting me here.
I have recieved Johannes Birringer's letter. In the letter said:"Along with the now standard embrace of the lfe sciences and biology. Okay, so we are talking about programming organisms? processual organisms?can you give some examles of how participatory this is and where and when and for whom?"

 

Thank you for your good topic question.

 

I like the "growth pattern", which is a project in the book named "process as paradigm",page 66-69."A living natural system takes on the form of a maunfactured pattern. leaves are intricately cut into a bilatrrally symmetrical pattern and suspended in tiling square.Plant cells are totipotent.This means that, depending on the ratio of auxins to cytokinins, the cells have the capacity to differentiate into any organ in the plant.Here the cultured leaves are provided with the hormones that cause the cells to produce new leaf tissue. The newly growing leaves are extending the form of the traditionally inspired botanical motif." 

I believe that every living organisms have an ability to respond to their environment,  have an ability to reproduce and to adapt. All of the have processual grow and develop. I guess it can be seen as a celebration of Nature and the healing powers extended by an intact natural environment.

And about art in the system, everything in the world in natural systems, social systems and social signs of the art world itself. Many arts are used in systems science. As above, the “growth pattern, I think is about the art of natural systems.The little leaves can be seen as 

patience, peaceful, and harmony.It maybe  look as if Nature herself had spontaneously created it - like a marvellous accident of Nature.
 
Cheers
Yuanyuan

 
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:14:31 +0100
> From: Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk
> To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> Subject: RE: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm / systems theory
> 
> dear all
> 
> after Simon's first post, the discussion already shifted a bit (quickly?) to systems theory and "systems" - which is for some of what was argued initially about the processual, a rather unspecific term, I'd suggest, but so may the terms "performativity" or "participatory" or "relational" be, as i see them used already in the first few pages of the cracked medium ("art catalogue"). Along with the now standard embrace of the lfe sciences and biology. Okay, so we are talking about programming organisms? processual organisms?
> 
> can you give some examles of how participatory this is and where and when and for whom?
> 
> (the catalogue, interestingly, assumes as a curatorial approach for the reception of such processial work that the performative and temporal nature of such work, progressing with different speeds/durations, rejects standard habits of perceiving art....
> 
> "Instead the works," write Susanne and Lucas , "demand persistent, durative and repeated observation".)
> 
> 
> And how do to work with such analogies (same level/category?) as the one between "agents" and "actors" in "self organizing" systems? who are the "agents" (robots? evolutionary organisms, cell specimen?) and who are the human actors and - where do you mean these as refering to a computational system (or simulation), and where to a live art or live process context or social context that ( as the cracked medium claims) makes "art and life indistinguishable"?
> 
> That last one (as a claim) tends to remind us of the 60s and the Living Theatre and various other counter cultural trips and probably the later approximations (Fluxus) of that rather unpromising proposal.
> Tehching Hsieh's long durational performances/processes are not consided indistinguishable from life even as he lived them. I'd think of them as quite precisely distinguished/distinct, framed, recorded and patterned to be received as an art form. and a generative one at that.
> 
> what are or were the limits of Tehching Hsieh's processes within a system, say, such a New York City, the country he had immigrated into, the art world that he invited? the other artist he tied himself to for a year? the photography he deployed ? the time frame (one year duration) of the "Art / Life: One Year Performance 1983-1984 (Rope Piece)" performance? or the time of the time frame (the 1980s)?
> 
> Yann wrote:
> >>
> Agents, or actors, can be seen as system components if they are
> within the limits of the considered system. The nature of a component,
> or element, e.g. artificial, biological, mineral, binary, encoded, ...
> is a property of the element, sometimes allowing or not some kinds of
> interactions with other elements.
> 
> From this point of view, processes can not be separated from a system,
> they necessarily refer to one. A project is also a system, with inputs
> and outputs. If an art object can be an output of an art practice seen
> as a system, the system itself can be the object for the art practice.
> 
> So, thinking about art in terms of processes *and* thinking about art in
> terms of objects are both sides of thinking about art in terms of systems.
> >>.
> 
> Susanne mentioned on 05/12
> 
> >>media art, high tech art, bio art, processual art
> .... - basically the art which is happening outside the art
> market to a great deal - >>
> 
> outside of the system?
> 
> 
> I had meant to ask Simon after his first post --- how expansive do you make your net, and how you want me to take your proposal, i.e. could you please give an example we might want to grapple with (and I'll try and look at the exhibition too, of course, at text, photos, video, and if i could travel there, i'd visit the show).
> 
> >>To take all that in a relaxed manner, where we do not require narrow definitions of what constitutes correct practice, and to situate it in a contemporary post-structuralist context that is very much concerned with notions of expanded agency, complexity and emergent phenomena across all sorts of living and non-living systems - might be the more productive route to developing other ways of understanding and imagining the world.>>
> 
> 
> Where does this occur in an exhibition or a performance or an other situation?
> (expanded agency, complexity and emergent phenomena across all sorts of living and non-living systems)
> 
> are you thinking in terms of political and social situations, say, the recent uprising in Athens? the eruptions, disruptions and emanations of Eyafjallajokull?
> 
> 
> with regards
> Johannes Birringer
> 
> (PS i attached a system theory picture
> 
> 
> 
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