[-empyre-] Process as paradigm - the generative image

Erika Jean Lincoln fur_princess at yahoo.ca
Mon May 24 01:03:10 EST 2010


Maria,
I will be in Madrid for Interactivos?'10 and for a break I am going to Gijon in June to see the exhibit at Laboral.
This discussion about E-volved Cultures here has really engaged me and I am looking forward to seeing yours and Erwin's work.

Erika Lincoln
Electronic Media Artist
Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net


--- On Sat, 5/22/10, Maria Verstappen <notnot at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> From: Maria Verstappen <notnot at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm - the generative image
> To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Received: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 5:22 PM
> Thanks Mitchell for your explanation
> of E-volved Cultures, one of the works in Process as
> Paradigm.
> In the exhibition the work is shown in the form of a large
> wide screen projection (4,5 x 13 meters) but for anyone who
> wants to experience the work on his/her computer screen her
> is a link to the screensaver version of the software: 
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~notnot/E-volverLUMC/screensaver.html
> Recently we made an update so now there is also a 64 bit
> version for Mac OS X, free to download.
> 
> We made the screensaver also to offer a possibility of
> perceiving a process over a longer time span than you
> normally would at a gallery visit.
> Hope you enjoy!
> Maria
> 
> Driessens & Verstappen
> 
> 
> 
> On May 22, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Mitchell Whitelaw wrote:
> 
> > hi All,
> > 
> > unlurking briefly here, because Driessens &
> Verstappen's E-Volver is a work I have been thinking about
> for quite a while.
> > 
> > Erika you are correct to point out the distinction
> between image-data (abstract 2d array of pixel values) and
> image (perceived on the screen) - and the "algorithmic"
> description is also probably valid .
> > 
> > But this description doesn't capture what I think is
> both conceptually interesting and powerfully generative
> about this process - and it relates to the role of the
> image. The generative model here consists of a number of
> agents which can move around the image plane and both "read"
> and manipulate pixel values. The agents follow (evolved)
> rulesets such that their actions (moving and changing
> pixels) depend on the pixel values in their neighbourhood.
> In other words the agents manipulate the image, but at the
> same time the image manipulates the agents. The relationship
> could be described as stigmergy - whereby organisms (from
> ants to humans) both (co) manipulate their environment and
> are constrained or programmed by it. The environment (here
> the image) is a rich carrier of structure and information.
> As I've argued elsewhere this figuring of history and
> environment as rich and generative is a striking contrast
> with most other digital generative systems, where the
> "world" is rela
>  ti
> > vely blank and often impervious to change.
> > 
> > So it might be not strictly correct to cast the image
> as purely self-generative (ignoring the pixel-agents). But
> the image does play a significant role here in structuring
> its own transformation - and the result I think is one of
> the richest digital generative systems around.
> > 
> > some further reading: 
> > http://teemingvoid.blogspot.com/2006/07/living-with-e-volved-cultures.html
> > http://creative.canberra.edu.au/mitchell/papers/SystemStories.pdf
> > 
> > Mitchell
> > http://teemingvoid.blogspot.com
> > 
> > On 22/05/2010, at 1:38 AM, Erika Jean Lincoln wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi Maria, Yann,
> >> Isn't it more precise to say that the data set of
> the digital image is "algorithmicly" processed through an
> computer which leads to a different data set which is then
> represented as an image?
> >> 
> >> To me the image is not the active agent.
> >> Thoughts?
> >> 
> >> Erika Lincoln
> >> Electronic Media Artist
> >> Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
> >> http://www.lincolnlab.net
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Maria Verstappen <notnot at xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> From: Maria Verstappen <notnot at xs4all.nl>
> >>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
> >>> To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>,
> "Yann Le Guennec" <y at x-arn.org>
> >>> Received: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 11:37 AM
> >>> Dear Yann,
> >>> In the context of this exhibition the notion
> of "generative
> >>> image" can be taken quite literal as a still
> image that
> >>> generates the next image in real time.
> Subsequently this new
> >>> image forms the basis for the next image,
> etcetera. In case
> >>> of a screen based work, the viewer experiences
> this ongoing
> >>> sequence as a dynamic animation. 
> >>> Maria
> >>> 
> >>> On May 19, 2010, at 10:09 PM, Yann Le Guennec
> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hello dear Empyreans,
> >>>> 
> >>>> systems are open;
> >>>> entropy is a mistake;
> >>>> boundaries are in the mind (of the
> 'modelizer'=
> >>> someone making a model);
> >>>> every process is part of n systems;
> >>>> quantum physics is a biface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biface);
> >>>> we build tools we need, to prove what we
> think;
> >>>> we use tools someone built (some day), to
> prove what
> >>> we thought (some day);
> >>>> 
> >>>> but ... i would still like to know what is
> this: a
> >>> 'generative image';
> >>>> 
> >>>> http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org/en/714-catalogue
> >>> (PDF p: 55)
> >>>> 
> >>>> Do you mean a picture can generate
> something, or, an
> >>> image is necessarily a mind projection ? in
> the future
> >>> (unforeseen) ?
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> best,
> >>>> yann
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>
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