[-empyre-] networked self and the netopticon

Thu Feb 10 01:18:26 EST 2011

Hmmm....

Metaphysics translated into everyday language:

Why blame the negative surveillance aspects of the netopticon to the  
same subject matter it is spying on? ie the common, everymen who is  
watched, spyed upon and in the end made speechless and eyeless,  
because of the simple fact that they do not have the apparatus - both  
fysical as well as metaphorically speaking - to counteract  it.

When politics, academia and even the arts are reluctant in active  
opposing and expressing their dissent, they are an easy prey are not  
they?

Am I missing an active and militant tone in this discussion and am I  
left with the numble sounds of words incapable of expressing content?

Andreas Maria Jacobs

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On 26 Jan 2011, at 16:19, "Simon Biggs" <s.biggs at eca.ac.uk> wrote:

> Self and other are implicit in one another. They are mutually  
> dependent. We
> can never be alone but we can never be other. We do not exist at one  
> end of
> the relational dynamic (between self and other) or the other but  
> along it,
> constantly traversing what are many dynamic axes amongst numerous  
> selves and
> others. Our agency is therefore not a product of our object/subject- 
> hood but
> our becoming as an oscillation where terminal velocity, negative or
> positive, is never reached.
>
> Sorry - I don't want to get into metaphysics, but that's what this  
> sounds
> like. What I am trying to say is pragmatic. Bergson described it  
> better...
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 26/01/2011 11:06, "De wraak van Baltassar Geraards" <ajaco at xs4all.nl 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Considering the 'self' as a societal AND an experiential construct,  
>> is
>> the active, generative part of it responsible for the constraints it
>> puts on the whole i.e. pan/netopticonal effects of the extended self
>> as a 'world' generating agens?
>>
>> And what are ways to overcome such an undesirable state of 'being' in
>> that same prison of societal self experiencing?
>>
>> Are you trying to say that 'we' just have to live with it as part of
>> our 'own' intended development as human beings? Or should we break  
>> the
>> whole idea of SELF and concentrate on the OTHER instead?
>>
>> Just a few thoughts coming up reading your post
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Andreas Maria Jacobs
>>
>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com
>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl
>>
>> On 26 Jan 2011, at 11:20, "Simon Biggs" <s.biggs at eca.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I like the way you describe the fragmented and plural self here
>>> Heidi. Very
>>> much in tune with my own apprehension (and experience) of the  
>>> subject.
>>>
>>> In respect of the netopticon/panopticon as part of that - I have
>>> always
>>> found Freud's concept of the super-ego very useful in describing the
>>> social
>>> dimension of self (although I struggle with his concepts of id and
>>> ego a
>>> bit). If we accept that self is a negotiated state and that the
>>> result is a
>>> socially reflexive self (a super-ego) then I would argue you could
>>> conflate
>>> this with the idea of the panopticon/netopticon as an internalised
>>> apparatus. In this regard it becomes difficult to consider a "self"
>>> without
>>> accepting the panoptic as an aspect of its ontology. This has both
>>> positive
>>> and negative implications...
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/01/2011 00:57, "Heidi May" <mayh at ecuad.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *"As we hand over to next week, we do wonder whether and how
>>>> individual responsibility is altered by being online and what  
>>>> effects
>>>> that has on us all, whether at the hands of panoptic forces or
>>>> not?"(Jon & Alison, Jan 22)*
>>>>
>>>> Subject: NETWORKED SELF
>>>>
>>>> My interests with the networked self are influenced by Calvin
>>>> Schrag's
>>>> (1997) "The Self After Postmodernity," in which Schrag explores the
>>>> self in discourse, the self in action, the self in community, and  
>>>> the
>>>> self in transcendence. Although I am fascinated by this continual
>>>> desire we have to connect with and understand the self, I do not
>>>> believe a unitary self exists, however, I am not completely  
>>>> convinced
>>>> that the self is constructed entirely by social forces...which is
>>>> why,
>>>> I guess, my work overall as a scholar/artist lies in-between the
>>>> phenomenological and constructive, and (schizophrenically, perhaps)
>>>> in-
>>>> between the areas of art and education. To give you a little
>>>> background about my own multiple selves...As an artist, I work at
>>>> questioning and disrupting our relationships with technology in an
>>>> attempt to think and see something through a different lens. As a
>>
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