[-empyre-] beyond screens

Tue Feb 22 23:22:10 EST 2011

Hi Laura,

Yes true that there are many artists who produce video works in the ME but
not many do it for the gallery space specifically which was the base of the
intended archive.
By trying to answer your question about "what makes artists decide to show
media works in galleries rather than in the film circuit", I've realized one
has to question the approach of artists to audiences, the medium, the
gallery relationship versus festival organizers, the gallery image for
artists as well as collectors and museums... and is a question that has no
straight answer I feel, maybe a part of the answer can be found in my
interview with Hassan Khan on Art Territories where I asked him "is the
gallery space your preferred choice for showing your work and how would you
treat your work if it were outside the art space context"
http://www.artterritories.net/?page_id=1577
I look forward to the continuation of your conversation and thank you again
for the food for thought.

Best,
Mayssa

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:06 AM, Laura Marks <lmarks at sfu.ca> wrote:

> Hi Mayssa, Nat, thanks for these developments.
>
> I am puzzled that the BFI archiving initiative you mention (Mayssa) didn't
> find enough material, because there are so many artists working in video in
> the region.
>
> My point was more to ask what makes artists decide to show media works in
> galleries, rather than in the film circuit? Gheith al-Amine, for example,
> shows his experimental narrative work at film festivals, while the others
> you've mentioned show more in the gallery. (Oddly, now that most people work
> in digital video, these works are called "films," but I prefer to call them
> the medium-free "movies") This then gets to the question of distribution,
> which I'll pursue in a later post.
>
> Nat, and Ayah, great points about technical difficulties of installing
> complex work.
>
> Yours, Laura
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nat muller" <nat at xs4all.nl>
> To: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:31:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] beyond screens
>
>
> just to add into the mix:
>
>
> lara baladi's installations (albeit not video) offer a more site-specific
> approach within this context. good examples are the walk-in caleidoscope of
> redundant images "roba vecchia" (2006) and " Al-Fanous Al-Sehri" (2002).
> however, it is hard to imagine them being realised without the big factory
> space of cairo's townhouse gallery. lara's earlier work, which is so much
> about the process of image making, was very much influenced by her move from
> paris to cairo well over a decade ago. she has told me that initially the
> lack of professional photo labs in egypt and the lack of other resources
> dramatically changed the way she worked.
> more on lara's work:
> http://www.bankgalerie.com/content/pdf/pdf1/racinelarabaladi.pdf
>
>
> it's also interesting to note that hassan khan showed his 4-channel
> installation "the hidden location" (2004) for the first time in cairo during
> photocairo4 (2008-9). previously he could not show it in cairo because the
> proper video synchroniser was not available in egypt. this echoes ayah's
> post on logistical difficulties.
>
>
> /nat
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 09:40, Mayssa Fattouh wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry forgot to mention Wael Shawky as well.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mayssa Fattouh < mayssa.f at gmail.com >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Laura,
>
> I think that most artists who have produced single channel videos have
> mainly done so as installations, I'm finding a hard time identifying artists
> who approach single video in a gallery context in the way that Hassan Khan
> does.
> Those who I found are closest to this direction in some of their videos are
> Mounir Fatmi, Jayce Salloum, Ahmet Ogut, Sharif Waked...
> Over a year ago during the Tate curators workshop, Elisabetta Fabrizi from
> the BFI exhibitions had suggested to create an archive of Middle Eastern
> artists videos dedicated for the gallery context, the problem was that there
> were very few examples that would give life to this project.
> Again the gallery system in the Middle East wasn't very developed a few
> years ago for many reasons, this again is changing and with it the artists
> works. Galleries have now created good contacts with collectors and museums,
> the number of galleries showing video is also increasing due also to the
> fact that video is very cost efficient for transportation. It is true though
> that very few collectors in this region are interested in acquiring video
> works as we are still here in the concern of the display.
> I wonder if this issue will be discussed in the near future in one of the
> art fair forums or other, it would certainly be very beneficial for all.
> Thank you Laura for bringing up the subject.
>
> Best,
> Mayssa
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Laura Marks < lmarks at sfu.ca > wrote:
>
>
> Hello Nat, Mayssa, Mirene, Ayah,
>
> This is such an interesting discussion. I have some questions about
> single-channel vs. installation, and distribution. It seems a lot of artists
> are turning to gallery projection where possible (following the
> long-standing example of Hassan Khan, for example) because they want to
> shift from the cinematic context to a gallery one. This has happened in
> Western countries earlier, so there's quite a split between those who
> present work at festivals and distribute them like films, or get picked up
> by distributors, and those who present work at galleries and hope to get
> represented by galleries. The latter I think is more lucrative but more
> difficult to achieve. I recall Hassan Khan saying at Homeworks last summer
> that his work is finally being collected by galleries and museums (he's
> represented by Chantal Crousel), but not being shown--and I think this is
> because it's not distributed as single-channel work.
>
> Do you have some thoughts or other examples?
>
> Laura
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nat muller" < nat at xs4all.nl >
> To: "soft_skinned_space" < empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au >
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:48:43 AM
> Subject: [-empyre-] beyond screens
>
> dear mirene, ayah and mayssa,
>
> thanks for your great posts!
>
> re: ayah's and mayssa's observation - as well as my own - that the
> dominance of the screen is very prominent and that spatial
> considerations (a.o. in installations, multi-channel, etc) and more
> interactive/participatory media-based work is scarce, was wondering
> about your thoughts why this is the case. do you think this is due to
> a lack in access, resources, financial constraints,..? perhaps in the
> case of beirut a lack of venues - though now matters might have
> changed with the beirut art centre? or does the prominence of the
> screen mean something different (in the case of lebanon)? i have to
> say that i somehow i have noticed more spatial (media) installations
> in egypt.
>
> looking fwd to your thoughts.
>
> /nat
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