[-empyre-] the end of the month

[Maria Damon]

Yes, thanks to all, esp. Sandy and Alan–and the other participants. I 
wish I had written more, but I seem to be in a laconic mode these days, 
and also have been bouncing around from place to place, not displaced, 
but traveling for work reasons.
Sending love and thoughts to the isle of my birth and related boroughs, 
states, regions and nations, esp the island nations of the Caribbean, 
who were also hard hit...

On 10/31/12 9:03 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>
> I want to thank everyone as well, particularly Sandy and that other Sandy
> that provided an open closure at this point. Taking up one of the points
> he makes below,
>> If we circled to some degree, it would be because of the irreducibly
>> human and worldly problems at the center of the topic of "Pain,
>> Suffering, and Death in the Virtual." No "progress" is desirable or
>> possible on this topic.
> - it strikes me that the core of the discussion has also been 
> repetition, the repetition of trauma, of PTSD, which is subject-ive, 
> inhabiting the subject, body of the subject - as well as the 
> repetition of death itself, which is across subjects and bodies. And 
> has been eloquently discussed here, these are within us, rediscovered 
> and uncovered by all of us, perhaps in similar ways to the discovering 
> and uncovering of sign and body themselves. So another month would 
> another experience be, different and the same, always differand to 
> sign and body, differand to traumatic pain an death. I wish I had 
> learned more about the practice of healing, and even more about 
> plausible afterlives (I live within what, for me, is the misery of 
> absolute atheism).
>
> Some of the people we know are in real troubles as a result of the 
> hurricane, let's do what we can, reaching out, on a practical level as 
> well. This is only the storm of the century (here) (this year).
>
> Thank you everyone!
>
> - Alan
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Charles Baldwin wrote:
>
>> I thank Maria for beginning the ending of the month by noting the 
>> full circle of the discussion. To some degree we were suspended 
>> between moving examples of forms (genres?) of expressing/giving words 
>> to pain and suffering, and - on the other hand - impossible examples 
>> (the impossibility of examples) of the inexpressibility of suffering 
>> at the core of the organism.
>>
>> Maria nicely stated that this full-circle "gives us a chance to 
>> consider the past month with a certain vividness." *Vividness* might 
>> be a term for intervention of events (such as Sandy, *events* as the 
>> weather or the world's noise). Vividness, as well, brings us back to 
>> art, another of our persistent concerns. In this sense, the aesthetic 
>> sense of vividness offers as term for the intervention of names (such 
>> as Sandy, names as the voice that expresses events in all their 
>> contingency).
>>
>> If we circled to some degree, it would be because of the irreducibly 
>> human and worldly problems at the center of the topic of "Pain, 
>> Suffering, and Death in the Virtual." No "progress" is desirable or 
>> possible on this topic. What would it mean to leave this behind? How 
>> could we? What would we be without the topic of pain and suffering? 
>> The topic will continue, we have no choice.
>>
>> I want to thank everyone who participated in this months discussion, 
>> including invited guest discussants Monika Weiss, Deena Larsen, 
>> Johannes Birringer, Jonathan Marshall, Fau Ferdinand, and Maria 
>> Damon. In addition, I particularly want to thank my co-moderator Alan 
>> Sondheim.
>>
>> - Sandy
>>
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