[-empyre-] public lament and gardening

[Maria Damon]

Yes, when I mentioned Lamentations, I meant the Hebrew Bible. Old. 
Grieving for ones city, ones polis, ones people. Also, it seems that 
this is *not* where you were going, Monika, a sense of grief over ones 
own possible complicity, real or imagined... remorse.

On 10/4/12 5:55 PM, Monika Weiss wrote:
> While aware of some of the lamentations explored by artists such 
> as Martha Graham (who is not my favorite although I have a great 
> respect for her) -- what I am working towards is a connection with the 
> older, before now, before any specific time, lamentation. My dancer 
> actually took me to Wender's film about Pina Baush last Spring, and 
> while aware of her name I never really knew of this work until quite 
> recently (maybe even Alan mentioned her to me a long time ago) but it 
> took a person whose body literally inhabited my work 'Sustenazo 
> (Lament II)' to "discover" this work and a feeling of connection.
>
> Monika
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> On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>
>>
>>> which "Lamentations" are you refering to? (not Martha Graham's 
>>> Lamentation?)
>>
>> Book of Lamentations in English
>>
>> All Sandy and I are/were on about, I think, is the silence and the 
>> obdurate that occurs in relaton to severe pain; I'm thinking for 
>> example of my mother shortly before her death, when she had been 
>> anesthetized to alleviate her suffering in the hospice. The silence 
>> is also the silence at the heart of the signifier; the signifier is 
>> both suture and broken suture, covering and dis/covering pain, naming 
>> it for those who are suffering, who can no longer hear the name, who 
>> are no longer with us, coffin or not - when my father died, there 
>> were issues at the cemetary about the burial of ashes.
>>
>> - Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Alan schreibt:
>>>
>>>
>>> public lament and gardening
>>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there then (I'm sort of assuming the answer is yes, but asking 
>>>> anyway in
>>>> order to make it part of the fabric of the conversation) a way in which
>>>> lamentation is also critique as well as community 
>>>> self-constitution, as in
>>>> Lamentations?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maria, I wonder what sort of critique would be possible? Lamentations
>>> seems to bridge the political and the obdurate. When pain becomes
>>> overwhelming, silence is at the core and the signifier dissolves; I 
>>> think
>>> this is also the core of anguish. One is left speechless. On the other
>>> hand, how much clarity is necessary for political or 'rational' thought?
>>> In an odd way this also brings up mathematical thinking - which, from an
>>> outsider point-of-view, seems based on the manipulation of symbols, but
>>> from within is much more of clouded movements with indeterminate focus
>>> (see Jacques Hadamard). Thinking itself, in other words, may well have
>>> less content than its representations, and certainly its representations
>>> in virtual worlds, where everything, one way or another, is determinate
>>> and rationalized on a pixel-by-pixel level.
>>>
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