[-empyre-] Before the Law / control and cutting, stripped naked

[Alan Sondheim]

I know this is obvious to say, but I wonder if one goes back to 
Indo-European roots, if there might not be a relationship between PIE and 
penis? Certainly in the confused male world of psychoanalytics, the penis 
figures heavily in pain; one only has to think of Bob Flanagan (and 
others) again. -

- Alan

On Sat, 27 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:

> pain, n. late 13c., "punishment," especially for a crime; also "condition
> one feels when hurt, opposite of pleasure," from O.Fr. peine "difficulty,
> woe, suffering, punishment, Hell's torments" (11c.), from L. poena
> "punishment, penalty, retribution, indemnification" (in Late Latin also
> "torment, hardship, suffering"), from Gk. poine "retribution, penalty,
> quit-money for spilled blood," from PIE *kwei- "to pay, atone, compensate"
> (see penal). The earliest sense in English survives in phrase on pain of
> death. "Pain" seems to be related thus to "pay," and remorse, or its
> display, is intimately related to concepts of justice and retribution.
> Public displays of screaming penitence under torture, in pre-Enlightenment
> Europe, and current media coverage of trials in which the faces and demeanor
> of the defendants are scrutinized for signs of remorse...which are weighed
> in consideration of a just penalty... this idea of paying with emotion, how
> does it tie in with empathy?
> 
> On 10/27/12 4:45 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> 
>
>       There's also the other Goffman book, Stigma, which is relevant
>       and excellent.
>
>       I remember one oddity during the Vietnam war - there was an
>       oddly apolitical stance, I think, among performance artists in
>       the US; one could watch an Acconci piece, for example, and read
>       political action into it, but it wasn't overt; what I remember
>       in conversation with him was mostly discussions about art which
>       was emerging out of modernism, but was still bound by a rather
>       linear idea of success, style, and progress.
>
>       - Alan
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