[-empyre-] A question concerning the electrification of digital objects

[sally jane norman]

excellent - who's serving the cocktails anyway?  I'm intrigued by your
notion of "ubiquitous cryptography: digital objects so tightly wrapped
we’ve excluded, perhaps, even the trace of the voice" - am wondering where
theories of the voice (including Derrida's Phonocentrism?) might come into
this, but also Stephen Connor's work on ventriloquism - playing with
provenance, which is also a "cryptic behaviour"...

a quick caveat re Auroux/ Derrida: Auroux in the cited work devotes a
rather harsh section (to say the least) to Derrida's Of Grammatology, so it
might be risky to say that this lies "behind" Auroux - rather, it's
directly in his line of fire... though fortunately for those of us outside
of the target range, we can pick up on the best of all worlds...

I'll pick up on the Kittler with pleasure; lots here to mull over -
including the Van Helmont glottis (yikes!).  Maybe you'd enjoy Simon
Penny's astonishing "Phatus" work in robotics?
http://simonpenny.net/works/phatus.html


all best

sj





On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Quinn DuPont <isaac.q.dupont at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> Dear Sally Jane, et al
>
> At the risk of responding so quickly, turning a cocktail party into a
> hushed dialog over in the corner of the room, I simply can’t contain
> myself!
>
> It is like you have read my mind! Although I have only read Auroux’s
> English work (a few articles, here and there), I think the reference is
> absolutely spot on. And, as you reference, Auroux and his concept of
> grammatization is critical to Stiegler, who I think is very much part of
> this discussion (and, for the week on MEMORY, I hope becomes part of our
> dialog). Especially in Stiegler’s *Decadence of Industrial Democracies*
> this process of grammatization comes through epochal shifts, from orality
> to writing (yes, Ong!), from writing to printing, and… to the contemporary
> computer? (for my own research, this is the coming epoch of ubiquitous
> cryptography: digital objects so tightly wrapped we’ve excluded, perhaps,
> even the trace of the voice?)
>
> There is a short passage in Derrida’s Of Grammatology (which lies behind
> Stiegler and Auroux) where he claims to be enraptured by “cybernetics” and
> DNA (the “writing” of life). I’m far from a Derridian, but I can’t help but
> think that Derrida was foreshadowing the grammatization process, which I
> see as a technicized version of the ideality of Goodman’s notation.
>
> I’ll return the favour of citations with another: Friedrich Kittler’s
> splendid analysis of “The Mother’s Mouth” as an important technology for
> forming the “discourse network” 1800 (Discourse Networks 1800/1900, 1990).
> Van Helmont’s 1667 “Short Sketch of the Truly Natural Alphabet” offers, I
> think, an interesting attempt at discretizing the voice by literally
> fitting the Hebrew letterforms into the mouth apparatus
> (here’s an image:
> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/62c84c30-49e0-4f95-9cc2-f7e79b548c36/d3de9ea5dfbf58e4d31e333d2abbef28
> )
>
> ~ Quinn DuPont
>
> On October 8, 2014 at 12:41:08 PM, sally jane norman (
> normansallyjane at googlemail.com(mailto:normansallyjane at googlemail.com))
> wrote:
>
> > I like the fact/ way you're seeking to develop connections across the
> discretisation of architectural/ algorithmic systems and of language/
> linguistic systems, as per Kramer's argument. Am wondering how this /
> Kramer's work (which I don't know, other than that she's an architect) fits
> in with that of language specialists (more names, can't help it) like
> Sylvain Auroux (La Révolution technologique de la grammatisation), for whom
> grammar emerges as a cognitive tool that modifies modes of communication,
> more or rather than as a describer of natural spoken language. His focus is
> thus not on the "notational" breakdown of orality to the visual (cf. also
> Walter Ong?), but instead on the advent of mechanisation and automatised
> language processing through tools that extend from historical construals of
> "grammar" to computational "expert" systems. I get a little nervous when
> orality and musicality are too categorically opposed to visuality and
> calculability, even though I realise we must sometimes resort to
> cut-and-dried conjectures to get thoughts moving. Auroux's thinking is no
> doubt anchored in a (French?) tendency - I'd say gift, in his case - for
> trying to freely span and bridge pre- and post-digital cultures, whilst
> mobilising an extremely robust set of disciplinary perspectives.
>
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