[-empyre-] : Across borders and networks: migrants, asylum seekers, or refugee?

[Babak Fakhamzadeh]

Hi Johannes,

I like your musings, but you're putting up quite a list of potential
discussion points. :)

Should we discuss the wars? Perhaps. But, what, then is in need of
discussion? That is, to what extent is the current Syrian/Iraqi
conflict open to interpretation? I doubt few of us on this list are
fooled by western/American propaganda in relation to the sources of
the conflict and most of us probably have a decent understanding of
the actual players in the conflict. But, also, we're focussing on
migration and refugees, not on the war, no?
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Johannes I was deliberately in the use of the words callosity because my question is: do we really change a thing in the lives of the refugees or the migrants discussing the concept but not the roots? As Ian wrote we should maybe discuss the war itself or the inequalities. A discussion hands on is maybe the thing related in the first weeks travel to Calais and teach refugees English or computer skills or make theatre or dance with them write down their stories record their flight.
> Ana
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> Skickat från min iPhone
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>> 15 feb 2016 kl. 20:56 skrev Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>:
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>> Dear all,
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>> Header:  it actually would make sense to track back to opening statement for this month. For me, it raised many questions, for example what the 'networked existence' of a refugee or migrant or asylum seeker is meant to denote, in the question/ proposition? And Babak, Huub, Ricardo - do you not eloquently evoke a crisis of the from, not the to, the issue of why people are fleeing?   Have we discussed the wars?
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>> Well, Ana, what would hands on discussion be for you?
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>> I really appreciated all posts, and I found Christina's painting very powerful, maybe because I saw it on the  same day that someone, accidentally (and yes I despise superbowls and police Kettling/enclosures,  and huge movies that strive  to awe us, like The Revenant), sent me a mapping of the US in the 18th and 19th centuries of annexation and theft of millions of acres of native American lands, the map was created by Claudio Saunt, more about that mapping tomorrow. (and i hate the mumbling of native american languages in The Revenant).
>> Today, I marvel at what Ana means by the callosity of poetry, is it callous or cynical to draw, to make dance, to write, to sing? and what exactly is political activism in the era of post democracy? What are border tools and apps that won't be available to the  migrant from Bolivia or Honduras making her way up to Mexico and then Texas? How long do your phones and laptop batteries last for the poetry to kick in? Would she are what you call her and definebher as, would we a voice here from the ones talked about?  And then, writers and researchers, at the limits of language (as Christina and Irina pointed out), artists, scholars and activists - what do we chat about here, then?
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>> Regards
>> Johannes Birringer
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