[-empyre-] What is robot poetics? How/why should we teach it?

[Margaret J Rhee]

The Skype visit together was really generative, I wished I could take 
your class! Thank you again for mentioning Neil, he joins us next week, 
along with Dmitry Benerson and Tung Hui Hu to continue a conversation on 
robot poetics, but the hybrid roles of programmer, roboticist, and 
scholar poets and how that shapes our practice of poetry! I hope if you 
have time, to join us for a bit next week. I'd like to start a thread on 
your WCW quote, and hoping we can continue thinking about the formations 
of poem as machine...

I appreciate your mention of the Turk, and I know this figure 
prominently in Neil's writing and glad you provided the link, I also 
think about the Turk in ways around Orientalism, and there is so much 
happening with the 19 c and the deployment of the Turk, and notions of 
labor. Your work on Bibliopedia also speaks to Susan's questions on 
electronic platforms for poetry or scholarship, and print publishers, 
that house "robo poetics"



On 2017-05-03 16:17, Michael Widner wrote:
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> 
> I should add, Margaret and Neil Aitken took the time to have a video
> chat with my class that was one of the highlights of the course. We
> talked about many things, but the topic that has stuck with me the
> most is on the figure of the Mechanical Turk
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk), the fraudulent chess-playing
> automaton from which Amazon's crowd-sourcing labor engine takes its
> name.
> 
> Here's Neil's poem:
> http://www.sundresspublications.com/stirring/archives/v17/e3/aitkenn.htm
> 
> 
> Margaret mentions the Turk in "Make, Robot": "Like the Turk, there was
> no magic in your game. // No automaton that plays, only human inside.
> // My elaborate hoax, I loved you but in the end // you could not make
> us beautiful."
> 
> I also recently read Gene Wolfe's sci-fi short story, "The Marvellous
> Brass Chessplaying Automaton" inspired by the Turk. Then, there's also
> Brian Selznick's YA book _The Invention of Hugo Cabret_ that, along
> with being a great read / view (it's a multimodal book of text and
> cinematic pencil drawings), deals with automata and early cinema.
> 
> I find the Turk a fascinating artifact because it's essentially a
> person masquerading as a robot. Whereas we've already discussed some
> robots as stand-ins for people (Janelle Monaé, Margaret's poems, et
> al.), we have the reverse operation here. The ghost in the machine is
> a person, performing labor for money while also performing an erasure
> of that labor, sort of like Amazon's Mechanical Turk service: the
> people get paid, but only in very small increments for tasks that seem
> like they should be amenable to automation.
> 
> On 5/3/17 2:01 PM, VANDERBORG, SUSAN VANDERBORG wrote:
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>> Stephanie's site is indeed amazing, particularly the comments on the
>> Python use of "is" and speculations on identity.
>> 
>> (I try to end either a cyborg class or a transformations of the book
>> class with a creative project--, as you say, that is the pedagogical
>> aim.  Received some great cyborg collages, choose-your-own adventure
>> narratives, metafictional children's books, and a DNA translation
>> code, though no robot or code poetry yet.)
>> 
>> The robot cinema course sounds wonderful--would love to hear more
>> about it. Do you ever do Ginsberg in conjunction with Metropolis?
>> ________________________________________
>> From: empyre-bounces at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>> [empyre-bounces at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au] on behalf of Margaret J
>> Rhee [mrhee at uoregon.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:34 PM
>> To: soft_skinned_space
>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] What is robot poetics? How/why should we
>> teach it?
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>> Reading through Mike's student Stephanie's site, I am struck by her
>> process section...such a wonderful project, more thoughts, but for
>> now,
>> I wanted to point us to this direction, and especially thinking of
>> the
>> pattern, possibilities, and the limitations of the poem:
>> 
>> "Writing poems exclusively using keywords from programming languages
>> was
>> an interesting process. By the time I finished the poem written in
>> C, I
>> realized there is a pretty distinctive pattern of word types that
>> crop
>> up (in any language) when consulting a list of keywords.
>> 
>> True, false, throw, catch.
>> 
>> If, for, new.
>> 
>> So many of the phrases available represent conditions or states of
>> being
>> and duality. After a while it felt trite to play with the
>> throw-catch
>> dynamic or use the word “new” too many times. In this sense,
>> programming
>> keywords are quite limiting when it comes to poetry, and rightly
>> so."
>> 
>> https://keywordpoems.wordpress.com/portfolio/reflections/
>> 
>> On 2017-05-03 13:30, Margaret J Rhee wrote:
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>> also, queer robots: https://vimeo.com/43444347
>> 
>> On 2017-05-03 13:24, Margaret J Rhee wrote:
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>> Hi Mike and all,
>> 
>> This is really generative organization of an exciting course! The
>> texture of exploring poetry on code,"traditional poetry," and code
>> poetry, and your framing really speaks to some of the threads that
>> have developed in this week. Many of the threads have not
>> necessarily
>> culled together yet, and I feel your pedagogical approach really
>> leads
>> us in exciting directions of inquiry, and creation.
>> 
>> Thank you for bringing up WCW and this quote, as I've love to
>> discuss
>> this in terms of poetry, and pedagogy, and machines.
>> 
>> Because I find it more interesting to explore synergies and
>> collectivities, rather than defining. I think robot poetics, resists
>> that kind of categorization, or perhaps it is poetry that resists.
>> 
>> "There's nothing sentimental about a machine, and: A poem is a small
>> (or large) machine made out of words. When I say there's nothing
>> sentimental about a poem, I mean that there can be no part that is
>> redundant. Prose may carry a load of ill-defined matter like a ship.
>> But poetry is a machine which drives it, pruned to a perfect
>> economy.
>> As in all machines, its movement is intrinsic, undulant, a physical
>> more than a literary character."
>> 
>> It also reminds me of a quote on the sonnet, by Ed Hirsch,
>> 
>> "There must be something hardwired into its machinery--a heartbeat,
>> a
>> pulse--that keeps it breathing."
>> 
>> I most often turn to Emily Dickinson, for 'defining poetry' which is
>> 
>> "If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I
>> know
>> that is poetry."
>> 
>> If we go back to Dickinson, poetry really doesn't have a definition,
>> more of a gesture to physicality, the body. Both WCW and Hirsch,
>> speak
>> to the fleshy, messiness, but "perfect economy" of poetry... The
>> poem
>> as a machine.
>> 
>> Your point on Morgan Parker's new work is exciting, the ways Black
>> artists and poetry have utilized the robot and machines in
>> generative
>> ways of racial resistance. Which may not always be taken up in these
>> discussions on new media or electronic literature. I have also
>> taught
>> Douglas Kearny's The Black Automaton:
>> http://douglaskearney.com/blackautopo/
>> 
>> Your student's Keywords Poetry is absolutely stunning, and
>> demonstrates how the course opened up the possibility to create
>> poetry
>> as well as learning about it.
>> 
>> Perhaps that is the pedagogical aim, right? Not to have students
>> memorize lists of electronic literature, nor new media poetics, and
>> not about defining but rather being able to hold the idiosyncrasies
>> of
>> code poetry, robot poetics... alongside questions of identify,
>> racial,
>> sexual, or otherwise. Your gesture to Whitman really reminds me of
>> this, and excited to hear more.
>> 
>> Sean, and Sunny how did your classes go? What is your approach to
>> teaching about cyborg poetics?
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>> On 2017-05-03 10:16, Michael Widner wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> 
>> The context in which I taught Margaret's poems was a course called
>> "Programming && Poetry" in which we attempted to find the
>> convergences/divergences between code and poetry. The readings
>> included Margaret's poems, some by Neil Aitken (examples here:
>> http://www.thecossackreview.com/supplement4/neil_aitken.html),
>> machine-generated poetry, and code poems. We also read many more
>> "traditional" poems by authors that included Elizabeth Bishop, Walt
>> Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Louise Glück, William Carlos Williams,
>> Charles Simic, Wallace Stevens, Hayden Carruth, and quite a few
>> others.
>> 
>> I only recently discovered that Morgan Parker, in her latest book
>> "There Are More Beautiful Things Than Beyoncé", has a poem
>> "RoboBeyoncé" that I'm currently mulling. It starts: "Charging in
>> the
>> darkroom / while you sleep I am touch and go / I flicker and get
>> turned on / Exterior shell, interior disco / I like my liver steeled
>> /
>> as a gun, my wires / unbuttoned to you". Had I known about this poem
>> when I prepared my syllabus, I would have put it alongside some of
>> Rhee's poems like "Beam, Robot", "Light, Robot", etc. I think it
>> would
>> be really productive to discuss the different ways in which the
>> robot
>> can represent marginalized figures. For example, I've always read
>> Rhee's robot love poems as a type of queer love poetry. In Parker's
>> case, her poems deal regularly with issues of black femininity. What
>> does it mean that the robot--an ostensibly unfeeling, hard-shelled,
>> potentially dangerous creation--gets imbued by these poets with
>> sexuality and love?
>> 
>> Critical readings included 10PRINT (Nick Monfort, et al.),
>> "Screening
>> the Page / Paging the Screen" (Marjorie Perloff), Introduction to
>> Expressive Processing (Noah Wardrip-Fruin), "The Time of Digital
>> Poetry" (Katherine Hayles), Metaphors We Live By (George Lakoff and
>> Mark Johnson), Cognitive Poetics (Peter Stockwell), and several
>> articles/pamphlets on text-mining of poetry and genre
>> classification.
>> 
>> I divided the course into several themes; while code & poetry was
>> the
>> first, we also discussed electronic literature, critical code
>> studies,
>> distant reading, and cognitive poetics. The last topic, for anyone
>> unfamiliar, concerns the application of cognitive psychology to the
>> understanding of poetry: that is, if the current metaphor for mind
>> is
>> computer, then the poem must be a type of program that gets executed
>> in that space. If so, what are the mechanisms that create meaning,
>> emotion, etc.? My students found this a productive line of inquiry
>> as
>> they continued to use these concepts to analyze how the poems we
>> read
>> worked on the mind. One of students also put together this exhibit
>> of
>> "Keyword Poetry": https://keywordpoems.wordpress.com/, poems that
>> she
>> wrote using only the reserved words in different programming
>> languages, along with her reflections on the process.
>> 
>> We also discussed WCW's description of poems:
>> 
>> "There's nothing sentimental about a machine, and: A poem is a
>> small
>> (or large) machine made out of words. When I say there's nothing
>> sentimental about a poem, I mean that there can be no part that is
>> redundant. Prose may carry a load of ill-defined matter like a ship.
>> But poetry is a machine which drives it, pruned to a perfect
>> economy.
>> As in all machines, its movement is intrinsic, undulant, a physical
>> more than a literary character."
>> 
>> Combined with our readings in cognitive poetics and our examinations
>> of code poems, algorithmically-generated poems, and poems about
>> code,
>> Williams's idea reinforced the idea that a poem is like a program
>> meant to create a certain state of mind, albeit one far less
>> predictable or replicable than a computer program. Another aspect of
>> Williams's thought here that I find particularly effective when
>> close
>> reading is the sense that every word, every punctuation mark, has
>> meaning, contributes to the motion of the poem, and must be weighed
>> in
>> any analysis: much like a computer program, where (unless there are
>> logic branches that go nowhere) every bit of code has an effect.
>> These
>> ideas required a balancing act in which, while providing different
>> tools to decompile (so to speak) how poems work, I needed to keep
>> the
>> students aware of the ambiguity and variability of a poem's meaning
>> and effects. I was regularly reminded of these lines of Whitman's:
>> 
>> Have you felt so proud to get at the meaning of poems?
>> Stop this day and night with me and you shall possess the origin
>> of all poems,
>> You shall possess the good of the earth and sun, (there are millions
>> of suns left,)
>> You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look
>> through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in
>> books,
>> You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
>> You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 5/2/17 12:20 PM, VANDERBORG, SUSAN VANDERBORG wrote:
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>> A definition is challenging! Terms such as robot poetry, cyborg
>> poetry, or machine writing might potentially include a huge variety
>> of poetic practices: speculative poems about robots, poetic
>> alterations or palimpsests from texts in robotics, code poetry,
>> hypertext poetry, poetry produced via search engines (such as Darren
>> Wershler and Bill Kennedy's _apostrophe_) and other digital poetry
>> experiments. Poems using email or tweets. Poems that reenvision
>> collaboration between programmers and poets.
>> 
>> There is already a rich scholarly tradition for many of these
>> robopoetics--_Fashionable Noise,_ _New Media Poetics_, _Digital
>> Poetics_, _Prehistoric Digital Poetry_, and Hayles's _Electronic
>> Literature_ and _Writing Machines_, and essays by John Cayley, Talan
>> Memmott, Stephanie Strickland, Ian Hatcher, Florian Cramer, Matt
>> Applegate, Steve Tomasula, and others, invaluable for teaching
>> digital, code, and machine poetics in a special topics seminar I'd
>> like to propose. Matthew Kirschenbaum's thoughtful "Machine Visions"
>> details texts whose styles truly enact Haraway's idea of cyborg
>> writing; Gregory Betts, too, discusses cyborg poetics in his article
>> "I Object," and Christian Bok's "The Piecemeal Bard Is
>> Deconstructed" traces "robopoetics" to its roots in RACTER
>> algorithms.
>> 
>> Increasingly, robopoetics doesn't only reflect a world saturated
>> with technology but a forum where print and digital cultures
>> interact productively. In "Noise in the Channel," Wershler talks
>> about prose-poetic print books, including Drucker’s _The Word Made
>> Flesh_, whose page layouts anticipate digital formats. _Writing
>> Machines_ also juxtaposes experimental artists' books and digital
>> poetry.
>> 
>> I've enjoyed teaching texts from Shelley Jackson's _Patchwork Girl
>> _to Brian Kim Stefans's _The Dreamlife of Letters_ and Jason
>> Nelson's _Game Game Game and Again Game_ in grad and undergrad
>> poetry or postmodernism classes; they raise provocative discussions
>> about what constitutes a book or a poetic collage. But I've taught
>> robopoetics most frequently in an undergrad literature survey class
>> called "American Cyborgs." Larissa Lai's "rachel" poems in
>> _Automaton Biographies_ pair magnificently with both _Blade Runner_
>> and Haraway, Susan Slaviero's "Consider the Dangers of
>> Reconstructing Your Wife as a Cyborg" humorously (and menacingly)
>> complements our cyborgs and gender unit, and Margaret Rhee's ":
>> Trace" from _Radio Heart_ introduces "Race," in the title's
>> wordplay, as a social construction already-already present even when
>> it hasn't been "programmed yet." The "robot" in her book's subtitle
>> pays homage to Asimov stories in which robotic identity is linked to
>> race and discrimination such as "Bicentennial Man" and
>> "Segregationist." And there is the short film for the lyrics of
>> "Many Moons,'" set amid an updated slave auction, where Janelle
>> Monae presses a button at her neck to change the skin color of her
>> android character. Studying robot poetics and robot subjectivity
>> becomes a way of talking about fights for civil rights, human
>> rights--and the interpretation of documents from the Declaration of
>> Independence to the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child.
>> 
>> I'm very eager to hear how others in the forum have taught any form
>> of robopoetics, and in what contexts, or with what results...
>> 
>> Best,
>> -Susan
>> 
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> --
> Margaret Rhee, Ph.D.
> 
> Visiting Assistant Professor
> Women's and Gender Studies
> University of Oregon
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> University of Oregon
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-- 
Margaret Rhee, Ph.D.

Visiting Assistant Professor
Women's and Gender Studies
University of Oregon