[-empyre-] why if?

Fri Mar 30 04:51:52 AEDT 2018

A small point, following Murat and Julien’s exchange of a few days
ago, I wonder also about how noise might produce disorientation as a
positive effect.

This goes to the Situationist practice of dérive through the urban
landscape as a means of processing the sensory (visual, aural,
tactile) input of the city in such as a way as to disorient, as a
means to open up new ways of navigating through the world—both
literally as well as creatively and symbolically
(https://goo.gl/images/sM7TmE). Or even détournement, appropriating
image/text material and turning it back on itself--not to eliminate
meaning, or to eliminate noise--but rather to produce a kind of visual
or semantic feedback, which in turn would be more free, more complex,
more heterogeneous (at least in theory).

It seems like you are after something similar, Murat, when you
describe your poetry as reaching for the point in which language is
broken down so that meaning is rendered ambiguous—not erased, but
rather (as you wrote) to “shoot in multiple directions.”

caitlin

Caitlin R. Woolsey
Yale University
PhD candidate in History of Art
www.caitlinwoolsey.com

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Julian,
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> I am essentially a writer, a poet,, an essayist on art (photography and film), poetry and translation, and a translator from Turkish poetry. Though indirectly, my writing is very much involved on the effects of technology, particularly digital technology, on human consciousness. For instance my poem of 2012 The Spiritual Life of Replicants (referring to the replicants in the film Blade Runner) revolves around the question what finally separates, if anything, the human from the android, particularly if the android develops a consciousness of mortality, as it does in the film. Or in my next 2016 poem Animals of Dawn, I focus on Hamlet, on Hamlet's "delay" to execute his father's revenge expeditiously. The poem suggests that Hamlet exists in a different time space from other characters, the move from one zone to the other being extremely difficult. The ghost's ambiguous injunction to Hamlet to kill his uncle exists in one time zone. The poem ends with the question: "If Shakespeare had photoshopped the ghost's image, would it have appeared clearer?," which is the last line of the sixty-five page poem. Both The Spiritual Life and Animals of Dawn are published by Talisman House.
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> My poetics is very much involved with the ideas of silence and space (particularly empty space). In my poetry often words are broken down, language deconstructed, meaning becoming ambiguous and blurred --in other words, moving toward a state of noise-- to arrive than empty space where language loses its its linearity and shoots (in the reader's mind) in multiple directions.
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> Julian, I hope this is helpful.
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> Ciao,
> Murat
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> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Julien Ottavi <julien at apo33.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Murat
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>> that sounds interesting, do you have any examples or links to some of your explorations? I am really interested!
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>> you could listen some noise music produced by ants, stratosphere's electromagnetic storms, electromagnetic "inaudible" sounds from cities and machines...etc http://fibrrrecords.net/doku.php?id=open_recordings
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>> thanks
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>> Julien
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>> Le 26/03/2018 à 19:26, Murat Nemet-Nejat a écrit :
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>> Very interesting post, Julien. My interest in noise is an attempt to liberate it from the subjectivity that humans impose on it, defining it only as it relates to them. I want to explore "noise's autonomy." Your questions in your post also seem to point to the same direction.
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>> Ciao,
>> Murat
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>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Julien Ottavi <julien at apo33.org> wrote:
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>>> "Noise: Disorientation, Contamination, and (Non)Communication"
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>>> Hello everyone,
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>>> I was just thinking of this subject and I was wondering why do we present noise as a negative concept?
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>>> Why if noise helped us to direct ourself in our surroundings (Disorientation)?
>>> why if noise was a not a virus (contamination) but a way to cure people and nature? or if it was a way to communicate with the universe and the nature?
>>> Why if noise was a way to communicate and the signal (being the information) was not the only way of communicated (as in the communication theory)?
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>>> Also what is noise? In which domain, theory or practices?
>>> Are we talking about theory of communication, artistic practices?
>>> Are we talking about noise music? or nature's noises such as wind or thunder?
>>> If we are talking about music, what kind of noises? white noise, brown noise, pink noise? or saturated sounds? "Concrete" music sounds such as everyday life sounds: squeaky doors, fans, trains, cars, planes, cooking sounds...etc?
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>>> We don't have to answer all of those questions during this week but at least maybe we could clarify some of them or express what's our interest in this field.
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>>> For instance, in my case, I am a composer, musician, sound artist...etc. I am using noise-sound in my music but I also make noise music. Noise music does have a positive impact in my life not only in term of production or as a performer but also in the listening of it, specially in concert situation with loudspeakers and sub-woofers to really feeling it.
>>> I am also finishing my P.h.D and one chapter is dedicated to this question of the practices of noise music from the perspectives of those who makes it and not only from the academic or the listener point of view.
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>>> So I am wondering where people stand with those concepts? Beyond your background what's is your interest in the subject and from which perspective are you talking about?
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>>> best
>>>
>>> Julien
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