[-empyre-] November 2007 on -empyre- : Memory Errors in theTechnosphere: Art, Accident, Archive

Norie Neumark norie5 at mac.com
Sun Nov 11 20:36:02 EST 2007

HI All,
Picking up on Maria's comments about documenting as performative and  
Tim's comments about the psychic archive -- and 'snipping' into the  
conversation below and earlier conversations with John about energy  
(whew... too much caffeine??)  I offer the following personal memory  
for potential energy analyses. I remember the moment when difficult  
family holidays suddenly turned into fun family holidays when I  
finally learned to "perform" fun family holiday by "documenting" it  
with my camera. In those analogue days,none of us ever looked at the  
family photo archive much (except to perform nostalgia). I think this  
is also relevant to the example I gave of kids with their phone  
cameras -- which was probably why that example spoke to me in the  
first place.
On 11/11/2007, at 2:48 AM, John Hopkins wrote:

> hi Andrew, Norie:
>> great to have a conversation with someone in our Timezone!
> okay, from the other side of the globe now... ;-))
>>>> And then there are the memories we can have of a place we've never
>>>> been to, but remember through the media...
>>> and on the level of the individual (that is of the 'I' doing the
>>> remembering) i have to wonder if there is any substantial difference
>>> between a memory formed through an intermediate media or through
>>> direct contact with the actual 'thing' being remembered. I have  
>>> strong
> ...snip...
>>> memory i have of a place i went on holiday in 1995 (for example), i
>>> keep coming back to the same conclusion, that a memory is a  
>>> memory and
>>> no matter how one is formed the ultimate mediator will be an
>>> individuals 'perceptive filtering' and the circumstances and  
>>> triggers
>>> for recall.
>> If a memory comes from someone else's perceptive filtering but is now
>> your own memory, there feels like some sort of weird lag there,  
>> between their
>> perception and your perception... Do you experience that lag when  
>> you encounter
>> the place you remembered through their memories? Do your own,new  
>> perceptive encounters with
>> that place refilter and alter those acquired memories?
> I would say that the filtering that happens (in the primary  
> instance of someone else's experience of place) is based on what  
> that Other allows to pass through their sensory system to embed in  
> the mind -- of course everyone is quite different in this process  
> based on the body-as-filter along with the social filtering  
> mechanisms that are imbued in the Self during life.    The  
> overlaying of these filters can be either constructive (think  
> additive amplitudes) or can attenuate the signal  (the Other  
> recalls the smells, while you recall the colors of the Light).   
> Someone sharing, for example, the same family background or  
> cultural background might have a higher chance of sharing band-pass  
> energy, thus leading to a additive instance...  the lag could come  
> from the fact that the memories are 'written' differently in the  
> mind -- a smell has a different energy-impact on the brain/mind  
> than, say, someone's description of the situation where they  
> smelled something unusual along with a description of the smell...   
> the lag would encompass a process of linkage of these areas of  
> recall perhaps...
> I dunno... stormy Saturday musings...  here in Köln, which is full  
> of personal memories...
> Cheers,
> JOhn
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