Re: [-empyre-] matter and meaning

[Cristiano Bianchi <cristianobianchi@yahoo.com>]

Hi Maya,

I guess because the work is not that good? Therefore
they need to justify it. Bit this is just the artists'
bit. The other side is that there are people that need
to make a living out of other people's creativity.
Which makes sense in a way. Critics and curators
should talk, but when it's the artist to do so, there
is something fundamentally sick.

Best,

Cristiano

 --- maya kalogera <maya@kalogera.net> wrote: > >The
best artists never TALK
> > about their work. The best among the best never
> > describe themselves as artists, just craftmen.
> 
> hi all,
> that's good point.
> and i really wonder why is it so important
> for net.artists to talk about their work?
> cause it seems so.
> everyone wants summary, intros, descriptions,etc.
> and work should speak for itself 
> 
> 
> maya
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cristiano Bianchi"
> <cristianobianchi@yahoo.com>
> To: <empyre@imap.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] matter and meaning
> 
> 
> > Ciao Reiner,
> > than's very close to what I meant. The original
> > question that started my fury :-) was 'What does a
> > certain art expression mean?'. My point is that it
> > might 'mean' something but it's pointless to try
> > describing it using words. Try to describe your
> > feeling about the empty box (and BTW 'CONTENT' is
> yet
> > another thing from MEANING), and you come out with
> > something like 'the sound of silence', which apart
> > from the obvious nonsense, sounds, well, trivial,
> > banal, in the end quite silly. But the empty box
> has
> > mede an impression on you. Is it JUST 'the sound
> of
> > silence'? Any remore countryside does the same to
> me,
> > to an extent, the 'sound of silence'. But I
> wouldn't
> > say the the empty box and the countryside MEAN the
> > same.
> > 
> > The point here is rather retorical. As soon as you
> > question the meaning in art, I think you exist the
> > very realm of art itself. The best artist never
> TALK
> > about their work. The best among the best never
> > describe themselves as artists, just craftmen.
> > 
> > So I stay with it. It all MEANS nothing. Or if you
> > find a meaning, it is worthless.
> > 
> > Baci e abbracci,
> > 
> > Cristiano
> > 
> >  --- Reiner Strasser <reiner.s@netartefact.de>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Cristiano,
> > > 
> > > I seem to have a wider sense for meaning.
> > > Many artpieces do mean "something" for me even
> when
> > > I am not able to express
> > > this meaning in word in an adequate form.
> > > 
> > > NO MEANING - NO CONTENT messages are therefore
> > > somehow boring for me.
> > > 
> > > Why talking, communicating, creating when there
> is
> > > no meaning or content?
> > > 
> > > Even an empty box has content. ;) (in the sound
> of
> > > silence)
> > > 
> > > Tanti saluti
> > > 
> > > Reiner
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > And I can only answer with another question.
> What
> > > does
> > > > the Beeothoven 9th mean? What do Antonello da
> > > Messina
> > > > painting mean? What do Canova's statues mean?
> > > Meaning
> > > > (the one you can narrate in an email/text
> message)
> > > is
> > > > not the point. I do not have to tell you that
> art
> > > is a
> > > > synthesis of idea and form (this is elementary
> > > school
> > > > in my country). Separate the one from the
> other
> > > and
> > > > they both MEAN absolutely nothing. You cannot
> say
> > > that
> > > > Emily Dickinson talk about solitude. She does
> it
> > > in a
> > > > unique form. If I or you do it, it'll be
> different
> > > > (and can it possibly MEAN the same?)
> > > 
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