Re: [-empyre-] matter and meaning

["maya kalogera" <maya@kalogera.net>]

>The best artists never TALK
> about their work. The best among the best never
> describe themselves as artists, just craftmen.

hi all,
that's good point.
and i really wonder why is it so important
for net.artists to talk about their work?
cause it seems so.
everyone wants summary, intros, descriptions,etc.
and work should speak for itself 


maya




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cristiano Bianchi" <cristianobianchi@yahoo.com>
To: <empyre@imap.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] matter and meaning


> Ciao Reiner,
> than's very close to what I meant. The original
> question that started my fury :-) was 'What does a
> certain art expression mean?'. My point is that it
> might 'mean' something but it's pointless to try
> describing it using words. Try to describe your
> feeling about the empty box (and BTW 'CONTENT' is yet
> another thing from MEANING), and you come out with
> something like 'the sound of silence', which apart
> from the obvious nonsense, sounds, well, trivial,
> banal, in the end quite silly. But the empty box has
> mede an impression on you. Is it JUST 'the sound of
> silence'? Any remore countryside does the same to me,
> to an extent, the 'sound of silence'. But I wouldn't
> say the the empty box and the countryside MEAN the
> same.
> 
> The point here is rather retorical. As soon as you
> question the meaning in art, I think you exist the
> very realm of art itself. The best artist never TALK
> about their work. The best among the best never
> describe themselves as artists, just craftmen.
> 
> So I stay with it. It all MEANS nothing. Or if you
> find a meaning, it is worthless.
> 
> Baci e abbracci,
> 
> Cristiano
> 
>  --- Reiner Strasser <reiner.s@netartefact.de> wrote:
> > Hi Cristiano,
> > 
> > I seem to have a wider sense for meaning.
> > Many artpieces do mean "something" for me even when
> > I am not able to express
> > this meaning in word in an adequate form.
> > 
> > NO MEANING - NO CONTENT messages are therefore
> > somehow boring for me.
> > 
> > Why talking, communicating, creating when there is
> > no meaning or content?
> > 
> > Even an empty box has content. ;) (in the sound of
> > silence)
> > 
> > Tanti saluti
> > 
> > Reiner
> > 
> > 
> > > And I can only answer with another question. What
> > does
> > > the Beeothoven 9th mean? What do Antonello da
> > Messina
> > > painting mean? What do Canova's statues mean?
> > Meaning
> > > (the one you can narrate in an email/text message)
> > is
> > > not the point. I do not have to tell you that art
> > is a
> > > synthesis of idea and form (this is elementary
> > school
> > > in my country). Separate the one from the other
> > and
> > > they both MEAN absolutely nothing. You cannot say
> > that
> > > Emily Dickinson talk about solitude. She does it
> > in a
> > > unique form. If I or you do it, it'll be different
> > > (and can it possibly MEAN the same?)
> > 
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