[-empyre-] to brazil with love (but not for the state)

[Eduardo Molinari]

Hi Irina, Hi Brian, hi all


is very interesting the route of your words.

It sounds as a big question the last part of your reflection:
we are talking about semantic or about acts, when we talk about cretins
(art, political cretins)?

is like a finger in a ventilator!

is one hand, I can say that the worst part of cretins acts is the potence of reproduction of hierarchies in the middle of the collective experiences.

in the other, semantic and acts are a crossroad when we are talking of  people that have the potence of being "narrators", "critics","historical writters", "curators". 

I mean, if we talk about neoliberal cultural industry, this is one big problem for me.

If we talk about political cretins in general, of course, we must pay attemption more about acts.

hi Brian! what about your opinion or minority-majority?

all the best,
eduardo

Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
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--- El lun 2-jun-08, Irina Contreras <poopstarr at yahoo.com> escribió:

> De: Irina Contreras <poopstarr at yahoo.com>
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love (but not for the state)
> Para: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au, brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr
> Fecha: lunes, 2 de junio de 2008, 8:03 pm
> also just wanting to state that this email seems incredibly
> vague so I am wondering if it is intentionally so since you
> added to the subject topic.
> 
> 
> but i would also agree that taking control seems besides
> not possible, irrelevent...fabi was speaking to creating
> ones own collectively but i dont think in replacement. I
> don't think of these things as merely didactic in
> nature but perhaps they are: I just think of them as
> alongside or whathaveyou.
> 
> But you also said well meaning cretins Brian which
> uh....seems a little....well, I don't know. Perhaps its
> a different sense of humor or you were being ???? I just
> wouldnt want to suggest personally that for one are there
> assholes for example that work within institutions where I
> live in Los Angeles that are well meaning??? I doubt it but
> on the other hand I wouldn't suggest they are mongrels.
> 
> Also, maybe I am concentrating on semantics but I just
> think that if you are gonna talk about cretin like
> acts...voting within an electoral system and expecting
> something grandiose to come out of is the worst in my
> opinion.
> 
> xo
> Irina
> --- On Sat, 5/31/08, brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr
> <brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> 
> > From: brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr
> <brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr>
> > Subject: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love (but not
> for the state)
> > To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 2:50 PM
> > sdv at krokodile.co.uk sdv at krokodile.co.uk WROTE:
> > 
> > "just as it is insufficient to think 
> > of  a politics that abstracts itself from the domain
> of the
> > state, 
> > creating spaces outside of the state, new sites of
> > resistence.  Contrary 
> > to this naive approach surely the issue is to take
> control
> > of the 
> > state-apparatus,  which contains the implication that
> > artists, 
> > craftspeople and users should take control of the art
> and
> > cultural 
> > industry."
> > 
> > >From my perspective the various nation-states, and
> > particularly the largest
> > of them, are fundamental for any grasp of domination
> in the
> > present. I
> > believe that anyone who wants to know the reality with
> > which she will come
> > to grips, must become keenly aware of the state-form,
> of
> > its particular
> > composition at any given place or moment.
> > 
> > At the same time, from my perspective the possibility
> of
> > taking control of
> > these entities called states does not exist.
> > 
> > I can be fairly assured that for the remainder of my
> mortal
> > days, the art
> > and cultural industry will be controlled by
> more-or-less
> > well-meaning
> > cretins who will aim to reconcile the singular
> producers of
> > culture with
> > some statistical averages of "what people
> like"
> > or "what people are willing
> > to hear". I don't expect anything from a 1%
> to 5%
> > fluctuation in the
> > so-called "consciousness" of these averages.
> None
> > of this prevents me from
> > working in the most open, generous and rigorous way
> > possible. None of this
> > prevents me from voting or even campaigning for lesser
> > evils. It only
> > prevents me from believing in illusions.
> > 
> > We are minorities. Get used to it.
> > 
> > best, Brian
> > 
> >
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