[-empyre-] expanded

Tue May 6 07:07:46 EST 2008

Dear Eduardo, dear friends -

I like very much this expanded sense that you are putting forth.

For a few years, I and some friends have been working on what we call 
"continental drift," which is about articulating the cracks in the many 
different worlds of power. We look at (and test, and cross) the "hard 
borders" of capitalism, but also try to find out how they collapse, 
evaporate, or more likely, just vacillate in the times of peoples' lives.

I guess there are not enough attempts to work simultaneously with the 
really existing divides and what constantly spills over them. Everything 
written below resonates very strongly with me. I am also drawn to the 
arab worlds, the chinese and indian worlds, the new chances to converse 
and to go on being elsewhere in the same room. I am working on a long 
project called "Escape the Overcode." You got at the essence of it in 
just a few words. Thanks for your help.

best, Brian

Eduardo Molinari wrote:
> Dear Raoul, dear friends,
> 
> is a pleasure to be part of this experience. Here I go:
> 
> I like very much this idea of Latin American subjectivity "expanded".
> Is not only an expanded space like you say, I understand in your words
> also an expanded subjetivity.
> 
> but... this vision have sense for me only if also we think in the same way with "the other sides" of this latinamerican "dimension".
> 
> You said: USA, Canada, Europe. This is also an expanded space?
> 
> and what about the expanded arab, african or asiatic space?
> 
> of course, the answer for me is yes, they can also be expanded spaces... but the problem are the hard frontiers that capitalism put between this "spaces".
> 
> we must destroy (in this way I like the idea of Valie Export, but working today) this "code". Like I said in my introduction to Jennifer,
> no more "your" history and "my" history.
> is our history, expanded.
> 
> also, the limit of these frontiers are close to end, because the energies and the food are not "expanded" in a democratic way. Then, we wil see hard movements in our "latinoamercian" spaces. I mean, they are happening now.
> 
> art have sense for me if could build some bridges to come and go together.
> is not a question of translations or languages, is a questions of actions.
> Not to reproduce the hierarchies of the "wonderful" world of contemporary art. This is not an expandend space.
> 
> greetings from buenos aires.
> eduardo
> 
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> --- El sáb 3-may-08, Krosrods Moarquech <moarquech at yahoo.com.mx> escribió:
> 
>> De: Krosrods Moarquech <moarquech at yahoo.com.mx>
>> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] (no subject)
>> Para: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>> Fecha: sábado, 3 de mayo de 2008, 1:45 pm
>> <div id=yiv923320460><table cellspacing='0'
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>> style='font:inherit;'>Estimada Jennifer and
>> Empyre, ET all:<br><br>As I was reading the
>> posts, historical flashes crossed my mind and though about
>> the long tradition of art collectives in Latin American and
>> their committeemen to social activitism: the Brazilian
>> Antropofagos, the Argentinean group “Tucuman Arde”, and
>> recently the Chilean collective “Troayano”, bulbo in
>> Tijuana, OMNI in Cuba and E-Fagia in
>> Toronto.<br><br>Latin America”, now must be
>> understood in relation to a greater/expanded space when we
>> take into consideration the migration pattern of Latinos
>> and Latin Americans into USA, Canada and Europe.
>> <br><br>I am eager to see how the discussion on
>> political art practices
>> goes.<br><br>Saludos,<br>Raúl
>> Moarquech<br><br><br>--- El <b>vie
>> 2-may-08, Jennifer Flores Sternad
>> <i><jf at post.harvard.edu></i></b>
>> escribió:<br><blockquote
>> style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
>>  255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">De::
>> Jennifer Flores Sternad
>> <jf at post.harvard.edu><br>Asunto: [-empyre-] (no
>> subject)<br>A:
>> empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au<br>Fecha: viernes, 2
>> mayo, 2008, 11:07 am<br><br><pre>Thank
>> you for you your introduction Christina.<br>and thank
>> you, Brian, for your wonderful text!<br> I apologize
>> for my absence yesterday – May Day was a very busy
>> day!<br><br>I'd like to make a few brief
>> comments to begin and then I've asked
>> my<br>co-moderator Brian Whitener to introduce
>> himself to you all and talk a<br>bit more about how
>> this conversation came to be & where it could
>> go.<br><br>Junto con Brian, proponemos esa
>> discussion como media para profundizar<br>y ampliar
>> un balance sobre la experiencia de Publico Transitorio
>> que<br>comenzamos hace unos cuatro meses, a lo cual
>> han colaborado los<br>integrantes de La Lleca, and
>> members of Etcétera…, Ala Plástica,<br>Frente 3
>> de Fevereiro, y BijaRi. Bill Kelley Jr. ha
>>  dado un aporte<br>enorme a este proceso de reflexion
>> – y fue integral en  todo el<br>proyecto de Publico
>> Transitorio. Latinart.com publicará el dialogo
>> en<br>inglés y castellano, y compartimos con ustedes
>> fragmentos de ese<br>dialogo en el espacio de empyre
>> durante este mes.<br><br>Para empezar pensamos
>> yo y Brian en una propuesta inicial para
>> darle<br>marco a la conversación– y hablé con
>> Eduardo Molinari acerca de la<br>propuesta también.
>> Les mando abajo el texto escrito por Brian y yo
>> y<br>la respuesta de Molinari con el fin de que los
>> dos podrían servir como<br>puntos de partida para la
>> conversación en
>> –empyre-:<br><br>"Recientemente, los
>> circuitos del mercado global del arte han dado
>> mas<br>atención a "lo política" (hablando
>> en términos muy generales) en<br>el<br>arte
>> contemporáneo. Sin embargo, en esas discusiones los
>> gestos<br>normativas del globalismo son
>> inevitablemente repetidos cuando emplean<br>una
>> manera de pensar la
>>  política cultural y el internacionalismo de
>> la<br>izquierda que acepta sin cuestionar el acuerdo
>> imperialista que ha<br>subrayado la mayoría de los
>> discursos liberales y progresistas en el<br>Norte
>> global. La discusión de este mes en empyre aborda de
>> otra<br>cartografía de practicas
>> artísticas-políticas. Nuestros invitados
>> son<br>artistas, activistas e investigadores de
>> Argentina, Brasil, México y<br>Estados Unidos que
>> trabajan colectivamente junto con
>> movimientos<br>sociales y luchas que se desarrollan
>> situacionalmente en contra de las<br>(de)formaciones
>> del capital imperialista. La discusión de este
>> mes<br>explora el potencial político de las
>> prácticas artísticas, así como la<br>creatividad
>> que la transformación social y subjetiva reclama.
>> "–J.<br>Flores & B.
>> Whitener<br><br>"Sobre el texto de
>> introducción: Creo que es importante destruir
>> –<br>desde el principio – el marco
>> "normal" que tiene esta
>> discusión.<br>La<br>dimensión
>>  política del arte no es una cuestión de este o ese parte
>> del<br>mundo, sino una cuestión de creer o no creer
>> en la potencia del arte<br>para hacerle aparecer –
>> en el espacio y tiempo actual – un nuevo
>> mundo<br>posible. Como dice Valie Export, el desafió
>> es negar, cambiar o<br>destruir los existentes
>> códigos sociales y culturales para
>> construir<br>nuevos." –Eduardo
>> Molinari<br><br><br>Brian Whitener and I
>> proposed this conversation as a means to
>> continue<br>and complicate a critical reflection on
>> the experience of Público<br>Transitorio. Brian and
>> other members of La Lleca, and members
>> of<br>Etcétera…, Ala Plástica, Frente 3 de
>> Fevereiro, and BijaRi have<br>contributed to this
>> dialogue over the past four months; Bill
>> Kelley<br>Jr. has been central in encouraging this
>> dialogue -- and in making<br>Público Transitorio
>> happen. It will be published soon in English
>> &<br>Spanish on Latinart.com, and we will post
>> excerpts from this
>>  exchange<br>on –empyre- this months as
>> well.<br><br> I recently spoke with artist
>> Eduardo Molinari about this and sent him<br>the brief
>> introductory text that Brian and I had written as a
>> possible<br>frame / initial proposal for this
>> month's discussion. I'll paste
>> this<br>initial intro text here, along with his
>> response, as possible points<br>of departure for our
>> discussion:<br><br>The critical circuits of the
>> global art market have lately afforded<br>greater
>> attention to questions of "the political" (if
>> broadly<br>figured)<br>in contemporary art and
>> aesthetics. Yet familiar gestures of globalism<br>are
>> too often reproduced in such debates when their
>> discursive<br>formulations of post-1968 cultural
>> politics and leftist<br>internationalism leave
>> unremarked the imperialist compact that
>> has<br>underwritten much of liberal and
>> 'progressive' discourse in the
>> global<br>North. This month's discussion centers
>> a different geography of<br>political-artistic
>>  practices. Our guests are artists, activists,
>> and<br>researchers from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico,
>> and the US who create and<br>act collectively in
>> concert with social movements and in
>> situated<br>struggles against the (de)formations of
>> imperialist capital." J.<br>Flores & B.
>> Whitener<br><br>"About the [above]
>> introductory text: I think it is important
>> to<br>destroy -from the beginning- the
>> "normal" frame that this discussion<br>has.
>> The political dimension of art is not a question of this or
>> that<br>part of the world but a question about
>> believing or not in the potency<br>of art to put in
>> front of us -- in real space and time -- a
>> possible<br>new world. Like Valie Export said, it is
>> the challenge to negate,<br>change or destroy the
>> existing social and cultural codes and to
>> build<br>new ones."  -Eduardo
>> Molinari<br><br>un
>> beso,<br>jennifer<br>_______________________________________________<br>empyre
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