[-empyre-] expanded

Wed May 7 10:42:16 EST 2008

Hello Dear Brian, dear friends,

sorry, yesterday I didn't read mails.
but... when today I open them, it was full of friends!

thank you very much Brian!
yes, is good like you say, to work simultaneously
in both dimensions.
for me, in the present "normal" Argentina,
is very important to push the borders, because
the very conservative mentality in our art space
is trynng to erase all the experiences that you know.

also, last year I was for 8 months in germany,
in Berlin and Chemnitz (ex Karl Marx Stadt) 
and the society there is like sleeping a "very good siesta".
is necesary to continue with the dialogue,
is necesary to continue thinking together.
The "code" in Argentina, but in my perception also
in neoliberal culture is the category "political art"
or "art & politics".
Also the "code" is the rol of the "normal" curators, teorical and historical writers.
Our challenge in this part of our experience is to destroy the 
hierarchies. We need not also new exhibition mecanims, but also
new interaction experience, without this "work division".

you know, the experience of ExArgentina in buenos aires, the last
part of the project was trying to go in that direction.
but were only the first steps...

all the best,
eduardo

Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
0541 1 47 98 48 35

--- El lun 5-may-08, Brian Holmes <brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr> escribió:

> De: Brian Holmes <brian.holmes at wanadoo.fr>
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] expanded
> Para: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Fecha: lunes, 5 de mayo de 2008, 6:07 pm
> Dear Eduardo, dear friends -
> 
> I like very much this expanded sense that you are putting
> forth.
> 
> For a few years, I and some friends have been working on
> what we call 
> "continental drift," which is about articulating
> the cracks in the many 
> different worlds of power. We look at (and test, and cross)
> the "hard 
> borders" of capitalism, but also try to find out how
> they collapse, 
> evaporate, or more likely, just vacillate in the times of
> peoples' lives.
> 
> I guess there are not enough attempts to work
> simultaneously with the 
> really existing divides and what constantly spills over
> them. Everything 
> written below resonates very strongly with me. I am also
> drawn to the 
> arab worlds, the chinese and indian worlds, the new chances
> to converse 
> and to go on being elsewhere in the same room. I am working
> on a long 
> project called "Escape the Overcode." You got at
> the essence of it in 
> just a few words. Thanks for your help.
> 
> best, Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eduardo Molinari wrote:
> > Dear Raoul, dear friends,
> > 
> > is a pleasure to be part of this experience. Here I
> go:
> > 
> > I like very much this idea of Latin American
> subjectivity "expanded".
> > Is not only an expanded space like you say, I
> understand in your words
> > also an expanded subjetivity.
> > 
> > but... this vision have sense for me only if also we
> think in the same way with "the other sides" of
> this latinamerican "dimension".
> > 
> > You said: USA, Canada, Europe. This is also an
> expanded space?
> > 
> > and what about the expanded arab, african or asiatic
> space?
> > 
> > of course, the answer for me is yes, they can also be
> expanded spaces... but the problem are the hard frontiers
> that capitalism put between this "spaces".
> > 
> > we must destroy (in this way I like the idea of Valie
> Export, but working today) this "code". Like I
> said in my introduction to Jennifer,
> > no more "your" history and "my"
> history.
> > is our history, expanded.
> > 
> > also, the limit of these frontiers are close to end,
> because the energies and the food are not
> "expanded" in a democratic way. Then, we wil see
> hard movements in our "latinoamercian" spaces. I
> mean, they are happening now.
> > 
> > art have sense for me if could build some bridges to
> come and go together.
> > is not a question of translations or languages, is a
> questions of actions.
> > Not to reproduce the hierarchies of the
> "wonderful" world of contemporary art. This is
> not an expandend space.
> > 
> > greetings from buenos aires.
> > eduardo
> > 
> > Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
> > Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
> > Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
> > 0541 1 47 98 48 35
> > 
> > 
> > --- El sáb 3-may-08, Krosrods Moarquech
> <moarquech at yahoo.com.mx> escribió:
> > 
> >> De: Krosrods Moarquech
> <moarquech at yahoo.com.mx>
> >> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] (no subject)
> >> Para: "soft_skinned_space"
> <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> >> Fecha: sábado, 3 de mayo de 2008, 1:45 pm
> >> <div id=yiv923320460><table
> cellspacing='0'
> >> cellpadding='0'
> >> border='0'><tr><td
> >> style='font:inherit;'>Estimada Jennifer
> and
> >> Empyre, ET all:<br><br>As I was
> reading the
> >> posts, historical flashes crossed my mind and
> though about
> >> the long tradition of art collectives in Latin
> American and
> >> their committeemen to social activitism: the
> Brazilian
> >> Antropofagos, the Argentinean group “Tucuman
> Arde”, and
> >> recently the Chilean collective “Troayano”,
> bulbo in
> >> Tijuana, OMNI in Cuba and E-Fagia in
> >> Toronto.<br><br>Latin America”, now
> must be
> >> understood in relation to a greater/expanded space
> when we
> >> take into consideration the migration pattern of
> Latinos
> >> and Latin Americans into USA, Canada and Europe.
> >> <br><br>I am eager to see how the
> discussion on
> >> political art practices
> >> goes.<br><br>Saludos,<br>Raúl
> >> Moarquech<br><br><br>--- El
> <b>vie
> >> 2-may-08, Jennifer Flores Sternad
> >>
> <i><jf at post.harvard.edu></i></b>
> >> escribió:<br><blockquote
> >> style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,
> >> 
> 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;">De::
> >> Jennifer Flores Sternad
> >> <jf at post.harvard.edu><br>Asunto:
> [-empyre-] (no
> >> subject)<br>A:
> >> empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au<br>Fecha:
> viernes, 2
> >> mayo, 2008, 11:07
> am<br><br><pre>Thank
> >> you for you your introduction
> Christina.<br>and thank
> >> you, Brian, for your wonderful text!<br> I
> apologize
> >> for my absence yesterday – May Day was a very
> busy
> >> day!<br><br>I'd like to make a few
> brief
> >> comments to begin and then I've asked
> >> my<br>co-moderator Brian Whitener to
> introduce
> >> himself to you all and talk a<br>bit more
> about how
> >> this conversation came to be & where it could
> >> go.<br><br>Junto con Brian, proponemos
> esa
> >> discussion como media para profundizar<br>y
> ampliar
> >> un balance sobre la experiencia de Publico
> Transitorio
> >> que<br>comenzamos hace unos cuatro meses, a
> lo cual
> >> han colaborado los<br>integrantes de La
> Lleca, and
> >> members of Etcétera…, Ala
> Plástica,<br>Frente 3
> >> de Fevereiro, y BijaRi. Bill Kelley Jr. ha
> >>  dado un aporte<br>enorme a este proceso de
> reflexion
> >> – y fue integral en  todo el<br>proyecto
> de Publico
> >> Transitorio. Latinart.com publicará el dialogo
> >> en<br>inglés y castellano, y compartimos
> con ustedes
> >> fragmentos de ese<br>dialogo en el espacio
> de empyre
> >> durante este mes.<br><br>Para empezar
> pensamos
> >> yo y Brian en una propuesta inicial para
> >> darle<br>marco a la conversación– y
> hablé con
> >> Eduardo Molinari acerca de la<br>propuesta
> también.
> >> Les mando abajo el texto escrito por Brian y yo
> >> y<br>la respuesta de Molinari con el fin de
> que los
> >> dos podrían servir como<br>puntos de
> partida para la
> >> conversación en
> >>
> –empyre-:<br><br>"Recientemente, los
> >> circuitos del mercado global del arte han dado
> >> mas<br>atención a "lo política"
> (hablando
> >> en términos muy generales)
> en<br>el<br>arte
> >> contemporáneo. Sin embargo, en esas discusiones
> los
> >> gestos<br>normativas del globalismo son
> >> inevitablemente repetidos cuando
> emplean<br>una
> >> manera de pensar la
> >>  política cultural y el internacionalismo de
> >> la<br>izquierda que acepta sin cuestionar el
> acuerdo
> >> imperialista que ha<br>subrayado la mayoría
> de los
> >> discursos liberales y progresistas en
> el<br>Norte
> >> global. La discusión de este mes en empyre aborda
> de
> >> otra<br>cartografía de practicas
> >> artísticas-políticas. Nuestros invitados
> >> son<br>artistas, activistas e investigadores
> de
> >> Argentina, Brasil, México y<br>Estados
> Unidos que
> >> trabajan colectivamente junto con
> >> movimientos<br>sociales y luchas que se
> desarrollan
> >> situacionalmente en contra de
> las<br>(de)formaciones
> >> del capital imperialista. La discusión de este
> >> mes<br>explora el potencial político de las
> >> prácticas artísticas, así como
> la<br>creatividad
> >> que la transformación social y subjetiva reclama.
> >> "–J.<br>Flores & B.
> >> Whitener<br><br>"Sobre el texto
> de
> >> introducción: Creo que es importante destruir
> >> –<br>desde el principio – el marco
> >> "normal" que tiene esta
> >> discusión.<br>La<br>dimensión
> >>  política del arte no es una cuestión de este o
> ese parte
> >> del<br>mundo, sino una cuestión de creer o
> no creer
> >> en la potencia del arte<br>para hacerle
> aparecer –
> >> en el espacio y tiempo actual – un nuevo
> >> mundo<br>posible. Como dice Valie Export, el
> desafió
> >> es negar, cambiar o<br>destruir los
> existentes
> >> códigos sociales y culturales para
> >> construir<br>nuevos." –Eduardo
> >> Molinari<br><br><br>Brian
> Whitener and I
> >> proposed this conversation as a means to
> >> continue<br>and complicate a critical
> reflection on
> >> the experience of Público<br>Transitorio.
> Brian and
> >> other members of La Lleca, and members
> >> of<br>Etcétera…, Ala Plástica, Frente 3
> de
> >> Fevereiro, and BijaRi have<br>contributed to
> this
> >> dialogue over the past four months; Bill
> >> Kelley<br>Jr. has been central in
> encouraging this
> >> dialogue -- and in making<br>Público
> Transitorio
> >> happen. It will be published soon in English
> >> &<br>Spanish on Latinart.com, and we
> will post
> >> excerpts from this
> >>  exchange<br>on –empyre- this months as
> >> well.<br><br> I recently spoke with
> artist
> >> Eduardo Molinari about this and sent
> him<br>the brief
> >> introductory text that Brian and I had written as
> a
> >> possible<br>frame / initial proposal for
> this
> >> month's discussion. I'll paste
> >> this<br>initial intro text here, along with
> his
> >> response, as possible points<br>of departure
> for our
> >> discussion:<br><br>The critical
> circuits of the
> >> global art market have lately
> afforded<br>greater
> >> attention to questions of "the
> political" (if
> >> broadly<br>figured)<br>in contemporary
> art and
> >> aesthetics. Yet familiar gestures of
> globalism<br>are
> >> too often reproduced in such debates when their
> >> discursive<br>formulations of post-1968
> cultural
> >> politics and leftist<br>internationalism
> leave
> >> unremarked the imperialist compact that
> >> has<br>underwritten much of liberal and
> >> 'progressive' discourse in the
> >> global<br>North. This month's discussion
> centers
> >> a different geography
> of<br>political-artistic
> >>  practices. Our guests are artists, activists,
> >> and<br>researchers from Argentina, Brazil,
> Mexico,
> >> and the US who create and<br>act
> collectively in
> >> concert with social movements and in
> >> situated<br>struggles against the
> (de)formations of
> >> imperialist capital." J.<br>Flores
> & B.
> >> Whitener<br><br>"About the
> [above]
> >> introductory text: I think it is important
> >> to<br>destroy -from the beginning- the
> >> "normal" frame that this
> discussion<br>has.
> >> The political dimension of art is not a question
> of this or
> >> that<br>part of the world but a question
> about
> >> believing or not in the potency<br>of art to
> put in
> >> front of us -- in real space and time -- a
> >> possible<br>new world. Like Valie Export
> said, it is
> >> the challenge to negate,<br>change or
> destroy the
> >> existing social and cultural codes and to
> >> build<br>new ones."  -Eduardo
> >> Molinari<br><br>un
> >>
> beso,<br>jennifer<br>_______________________________________________<br>empyre
> >>
> >>
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