[-empyre-] to brazil with love
sdv at krokodile.co.uk
sdv at krokodile.co.uk
Sat May 31 19:10:32 EST 2008
Eduardo,
It wasn't clear to me that some difference was being claimed between the
state and the state as connected to the art and cultural industry. I
wouldn't maintain such a difference myself because...
Well surely the same thing applies - just as it is insufficient to think
of a politics that abstracts itself from the domain of the state,
creating spaces outside of the state, new sites of resistence. Contrary
to this naive approach surely the issue is to take control of the
state-apparatus, which contains the implication that artists,
craftspeople and users should take control of the art and cultural
industry.
I was listenning to a radio programme about the relations between
astronomy, astrology and the early empires and states of 4000++ years
ago. The presenter (I do not know her name) was implying that the state
was a central and necessary cultural and technological invention,
(shades of deleuze, wittfogel and perhaps even toynbee) critically she
was drawing out the relations between the states and the planets and
stars. If an astronomer can draw out these connections then equally it
should be possible to accept and work the relations between the state
and the cultural industry....
The alternative to this is to accept that capital is an acceptable and
inevitable background to our lives. Which it isn't.
steve
Eduardo Molinari wrote:
>Dear S,
>I think that we were talking about other "state" dimension.
>the one that is more connected with art and cultural industry.
>
>this dimension that you are putting now on the table,
>is more serious for me, is not a question of to be bored or to have fun.
>
>social and legal politics of the state, about our bodies
>are a challenge today, when privacy is on troubles.
>Not only about sex & gender.
>
>What about this when the citizens all over the world are
>involved by George Bush in a potential "evil axle"?
>
>what about Guantanamo concentration camp?
>
>yes, you're true, no "bored".
>thank you for make me thinking more!
>eduardo
>
>
>
>
>Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
>Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
>Provincia de Buenos Aires - Argentina
>0541 1 47 98 48 35
>
>
>--- El vie 30-may-08, sdv at krokodile.co.uk <sdv at krokodile.co.uk> escribió:
>
>
>
>>De: sdv at krokodile.co.uk <sdv at krokodile.co.uk>
>>Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>Para: poopstarr at yahoo.com, "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>>Fecha: viernes, 30 de mayo de 2008, 11:41 am
>>Interesting that the 'state' bores you... and that
>>art-gods don't....
>>
>>Last week the major political argument (here) was
>>interestingly enough
>>on various biopolitical engagements on the body, decisions
>>on hybrid
>>dna research, whether a father was required for ivf
>>treatments, the
>>upper time limit for abortions.... That the argument is at
>>what point
>>these things are criminalized should I would have thought
>>been the kind
>>of thing you would have been interested in... What is it
>>about the state
>>that worries you all so much ?
>>
>>s
>>Irina Contreras wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi everyone!
>>>But especially Eduardo....
>>>so I only know about incarnation as being attached in a
>>>
>>>
>>sense that is religous....without getting into art gods and
>>such I am trying to think about how this relates.
>>
>>
>>>I mean, I am into the idea of an art god....like mine
>>>
>>>
>>would probably be a room with Divine, Deleuze, KRS-1, La
>>Llorona and maybe Os Mutantes for good measure...but no, I
>>don't think that is what you are talkin about...
>>
>>
>>>I imagine feeling one's actions is like being in
>>>
>>>
>>the fading in and out conciousness you only or at least I
>>only seem to experience in the middle of a performance, on
>>a really long bike ride in unfamiliar territory, all day
>>fucking, or maybe????
>>
>>
>>>Sorry I am such a bad speller today and I know I am
>>>
>>>
>>really good at derailing....
>>
>>
>>>Have a great eve everyone or morning whatevs....
>>>xo
>>>Irina
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Sun, 5/25/08, Eduardo Molinari
>>>
>>>
>><archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Eduardo Molinari
>>>>
>>>>
>><archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar>
>>
>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>>>To: "soft_skinned_space"
>>>>
>>>>
>><empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>, poopstarr at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>>>Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 4:49 PM
>>>>Hi Irina, dear all
>>>>
>>>>erotic and politics... intensive connection!
>>>>I agree with you, the states bores me too about
>>>>
>>>>
>>this.
>>
>>
>>>>what is to "erotize politic" today?
>>>>what are the connections between body and
>>>>
>>>>
>>ideologies today?
>>
>>
>>>>what is the political dimension of the body today?
>>>>
>>>>to erotize politic for me is only possible when
>>>>
>>>>
>>incarnation
>>
>>
>>>>happens.
>>>>then you can "feel" the political
>>>>
>>>>
>>actions, also
>>
>>
>>>>the enemy ones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>what do you think Irina?
>>>>
>>>>thank you!
>>>>eduardo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
>>>>Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
>>>>Provincia de Buenos Aires - Argentina
>>>>0541 1 47 98 48 35
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- El jue 22-may-08, Irina Contreras
>>>><poopstarr at yahoo.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>De: Irina Contreras <poopstarr at yahoo.com>
>>>>>Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>>>>Para: "soft_skinned_space"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Fecha: jueves, 22 de mayo de 2008, 6:59 pm
>>>>>hi everyone,
>>>>>my name is Irina Contreras....
>>>>>just wanting to drop in finally and try to tune
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>more....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>excited about where this is going....i have to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>say i
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>finding some of the other conversation to be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>losing me
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>some reason...maybe its just the nature of the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>internet...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>im really intrigued by this booing that took
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>place at
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>sexual diversity screening...what happened if i
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>can
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>ask?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>im also interested and wondering about an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>expansion on
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ideas of microerotic and the integration of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>erotic
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>into
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>political issues.
>>>>>It seems funny because queerness and sex has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>been
>>
>>
>>>>>inevitably politicized as i see it.
>>>>>but i also think that the way it is often
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>currently
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>done in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the states bores me a bit....it feels very
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>limited to
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>racially especially.
>>>>>alright, im done....
>>>>>also, are you active with the icarus project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>discussions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Abrazos,
>>>>>Irina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--- On Thu, 5/22/08, brian whitener
>>>>><iwaslike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: brian whitener
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>><iwaslike at hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>>>>>>Subject: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>>>>>To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>>>>>Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:53 AM
>>>>>>hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>sorry for the absence. internet access has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>been a
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>difficult this last days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>these are a few questions for hilan and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>fabiane:
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>what
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>does
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>it mean to work in an errorist manner?can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>send
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>examples
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>from the handbook of esquizotrans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>pornography?what is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>'esquizerda' (the esquizoleft)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>?what does
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>organization of trans or esquizoleft
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>community
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>look
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>like in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>brasil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fabiane Borges (BR) is a writer and media
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>communication
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>activistwho works with genders,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>transgenders, and
>>
>>
>>>>>>technology. She has abackground in squat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>art and
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>social
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>movements, such as those involvingwhores,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>women,
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>low-tech
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>media, indigenous groups, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>theanti-psychiatry
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>movement
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>[luta antimanicomial]. She
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>enjoysesquizoanalysis
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>usually uses the name
>>>>>>Cassandras.http://cassandras.multiply.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>Hilan
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Bensusan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>(BR) inspects singularities (like poetry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>writers,people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>coming out of the prisons), lectures
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>philosophy
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>theUniversity ofBrasilia and writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>manifestoes.
>>
>>
>>>>>>http://www.unb.br/ih/fil/hilanb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>Esquizotrans -
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>gang of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>our shifting slices Esquizotrans is an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>assembly
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>desires
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>focused on transgressing anddiluting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>borders. We
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>experiment
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>with writing, filming, performing inorder
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>to blur
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>both
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>gender and genre borders. We do it in an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>erroristmanner (as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>hangovers of the Errorist International).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>In 2007
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>were
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>booed in a sexual diversity film festival
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Brazilafter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>screening our Mulher-Bicha (Female Fag).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>Since
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>2006 we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>produceshort films accompanied with small
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>performances
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>attempt tochannel erotic energy into
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>politics
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>while
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>exposing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the politicalundertone of the microerotic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>We
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>maintain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>column in the MondeDiplomatique, Brazil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>were we
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>dilute the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>principles of column-writing,celebrate both
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>transsexual
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>and the transgender takes on whateveris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>cyberpolitical
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>formulate what we call the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>'esquizerda'
>>
>>
>>>>>>(theesquizoleft) - that would attempt to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>extract
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>subversive force from themultiplication of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>exception,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>deviation and error. Our current
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>projectsinvolve
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>short
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>films of urban intervention in several
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>towns,
>>
>>
>>>>>>writingperformances where our convulsive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>collective
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>writing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>is shown in theopen and the publication of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>our
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>handbook of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>esquizotrans pornography. Our recent
>>>>>>site:http://esquizotrans.wordpress.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>enjoy some
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>our
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>movies:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnRMbQQM2J0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZyL7pWfdG4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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