[-empyre-] seeing yourself a prototype - the limits of open source

[Julian Oliver]

..on Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 05:35:03PM -0500, christopher sullivan wrote:
> 
> and Julian your definition was perfect, towering over all other possible
> attempts, you must understand the small mind I have to work with.. Chris.

Chris I liked your definitions, certainly far more fun/complex than what I came
up with. Nonetheless, you asked me for a definition and so I gave it. 

To clarify: personally I think 'prototyping' doesn't need a whole lot of
definition, it's simply (already) any process of defining something; most
commonly an idea, up until the point the prototype acheives the intended utility
and/or is ready to be copied. Sometimes that might involve developing concrete
intermediary forms (a polystyrene mock-up of an industrial design, code sketch)
other times ephemeral (a critical debate (prototyping answers) or a night club
(prototyping selves)).

In our case, on this list, we're prototyping definitions of prototyping. 

Cheers,

Julian

> 
> 
> Quoting Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>:
> 
> > ..on Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:07:24PM -0500, christopher sullivan wrote:
> > > definitions, I think we are not all talking about the same thing.
> > > so here are my worst case and  best case definitions of prototyping.
> > 
> > [..]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > what is your definition?
> > > 
> > 
> > (earlier)
> > 
> > Prototyping is any test of expectation
> > 
> > or:
> > 
> > 	Prototyping is practicing real.
> > 
> > or:
> > 
> > 	Prototyping is an attempt to reverse engineer the imagined.
> > 
> > We could go on forever while forgetting that prototyping itself escapes
> > definition. This is because it itself is the very process of definition, of
> > 'defining'.
> > 
> > To recurse, your email was (expressly) a Prototype Definition. 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > -- 
> > Julian Oliver
> > home: New Zealand
> > based: Berlin, Germany 
> > currently: Berlin, Germany
> > about: http://julianoliver.com
> > 
> > > Quoting Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>:
> > > 
> > > > ..on Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 03:10:01PM -0000, Johannes Birringer wrote:
> > > > > >> Davin wrote:>> At one point in time, discrete objects were things
> > that
> > > > were considered prototypes that could be thrown into an existing system
> > and
> > > > tested. Increasingly, it seems like the prototypes are geared to test
> > > > individual and collective consciousness.  In other words, maybe we are
> > the 
> > > > prototypes?  Being tested so that we can be effectively processed,
> > > > shrink-wrapped, labeled, bought and sold>>
> > > > 
> > > > Hmm, This statement from Davin confused me also. I thought it was fairly
> > > > clear
> > > > that any act of learning - or any 'attempt', which all action is at it's
> > root
> > > > -
> > > > simultaneously produces the self as a prototype, even if only for the
> > > > duration
> > > > of that act. The very notion of a prototype assumes a platonic and
> > > > eventuating
> > > > objecthood, a finished thing. When are people ever so singularly
> > resolved? 
> > > > 
> > > > Second order prototyping is the work of other people, especially
> > > > aquaintances,
> > > > marketeers and those that resource people.
> > > > 
> > > > Beast,
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Julian Oliver
> > > > home: New Zealand
> > > > based: Berlin, Germany 
> > > > currently: Berlin, Germany
> > > > about: http://julianoliver.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > empyre forum
> > > > empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> > > > http://www.subtle.net/empyre
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Christopher Sullivan
> > > Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
> > > School of the Art Institute of Chicago
> > > 112 so michigan
> > > Chicago Ill 60603
> > > csulli at saic.edu
> > > 312-345-3802
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Christopher Sullivan
> Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
> School of the Art Institute of Chicago
> 112 so michigan
> Chicago Ill 60603
> csulli at saic.edu
> 312-345-3802

-- 
Julian Oliver
home: New Zealand
based: Berlin, Germany 
currently: Berlin, Germany
about: http://julianoliver.com