[-empyre-] seeing yourself a prototype - the limits of open source

[christopher sullivan]

and Julian your definition was perfect, towering over all other possible
attempts, you must understand the small mind I have to work with.. Chris.


Quoting Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>:

> ..on Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 06:07:24PM -0500, christopher sullivan wrote:
> > definitions, I think we are not all talking about the same thing.
> > so here are my worst case and  best case definitions of prototyping.
> 
> [..]
> > 
> > 
> > what is your definition?
> > 
> 
> (earlier)
> 
> Prototyping is any test of expectation
> 
> or:
> 
> 	Prototyping is practicing real.
> 
> or:
> 
> 	Prototyping is an attempt to reverse engineer the imagined.
> 
> We could go on forever while forgetting that prototyping itself escapes
> definition. This is because it itself is the very process of definition, of
> 'defining'.
> 
> To recurse, your email was (expressly) a Prototype Definition. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Julian Oliver
> home: New Zealand
> based: Berlin, Germany 
> currently: Berlin, Germany
> about: http://julianoliver.com
> 
> > Quoting Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>:
> > 
> > > ..on Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 03:10:01PM -0000, Johannes Birringer wrote:
> > > > >> Davin wrote:>> At one point in time, discrete objects were things
> that
> > > were considered prototypes that could be thrown into an existing system
> and
> > > tested. Increasingly, it seems like the prototypes are geared to test
> > > individual and collective consciousness.  In other words, maybe we are
> the 
> > > prototypes?  Being tested so that we can be effectively processed,
> > > shrink-wrapped, labeled, bought and sold>>
> > > 
> > > Hmm, This statement from Davin confused me also. I thought it was fairly
> > > clear
> > > that any act of learning - or any 'attempt', which all action is at it's
> root
> > > -
> > > simultaneously produces the self as a prototype, even if only for the
> > > duration
> > > of that act. The very notion of a prototype assumes a platonic and
> > > eventuating
> > > objecthood, a finished thing. When are people ever so singularly
> resolved? 
> > > 
> > > Second order prototyping is the work of other people, especially
> > > aquaintances,
> > > marketeers and those that resource people.
> > > 
> > > Beast,
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Julian Oliver
> > > home: New Zealand
> > > based: Berlin, Germany 
> > > currently: Berlin, Germany
> > > about: http://julianoliver.com
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> > 
> > 
> > Christopher Sullivan
> > Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
> > School of the Art Institute of Chicago
> > 112 so michigan
> > Chicago Ill 60603
> > csulli at saic.edu
> > 312-345-3802
> 
> 


Christopher Sullivan
Dept. of Film/Video/New Media
School of the Art Institute of Chicago
112 so michigan
Chicago Ill 60603
csulli at saic.edu
312-345-3802