[-empyre-] just a book ref (Re: glitch device/divide)

[Yann Le Guennec]

Hello,

i did not read all the thread, maybe already mentioned :

glitch error continuum

http://www.continuumbooks.com/books/detail.aspx?BookId=136643&SubjectId=1366&Subject2Id=1377





Le 09/12/2011 04:11, Eduardo Navas a écrit :
> Dear Andreas,
>
> I think others have moved past my comment on to more complex ground, but I
> should follow up to a couple of points you make.
>
> On discourse: the very fact that we are communicating about the specificity
> of glitch as an art form is proof enough that we are dealing within a
> specialized field.  This is all my statement means.
>
> Regarding your statement on the ³pre-discursive,² it is safe to say that in
> our times, it is common knowledge, at least based on what is left to us
> after poststructuralism, that it is impossible to function outside the
> symbolic.  There is no such thing as ³pre-discursive.²  A search for such an
> element may closely appear to be romantic.
>
> To this effect, your statement: ³The void is *all* there *is*² exposes that
> through negation existence is confirmed.
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo Navas
>
> On 12/8/11 6:19 AM, "Andreas Maria Jacobs"<ajaco at xs4all.nl>  wrote:
>
>> hmm
>>
>> I wonder why discourse should have relevance at all, I think what matters is
>> to uncover a field which is *inherently* pre-discursive and *existent but not
>> known* and consequently *before* any possibility of interpretation.
>>
>> Artists task is to observe - from their own subjectivities - a *probable* -
>> because not yet commonly perceived - future understanding of the phenomenal
>> appearances of perceived/sensual *reality*
>>
>> Also I do think that just that makes it possible to (re)gain *truthful*
>> insight in *reality*, wether technological, political, societal or personal
>> and where aesthetics plays no role. (i.e. whether it is boring or not, does
>> not matter, because that again is discursive and supposedly based on previous
>> knowledgeability of the mental gestalts of being bored, surprised, touched etc
>> etc )
>>
>> The conservative - literary - *art worlds* collect, maintain and indeed
>> conserve quasi-religious fetishized material forms, which are but indicators
>> of what lies beyond them
>>
>> Andreas Maria Jacobs
>>
>> "The void is *all* there *is*"
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Eduardo Navas wrote:
>>
>>> ........
>>
>>> I think that if we really thinkg about the term ³intrinsic² it only functions
>>> once we accept a specific context in which to discuss a thing to which an
>>> extra value based on discourse is added.  Glitches have values that are
>>> material (before that are recognized as glitches) and these values once
>>> recognized within the field of glitch art allow people to add on their own
>>> interpretations and develop a discourse.  This is what is relevant.
>>>
>>>   Eduardo Navas
>>>
>>>   On 12/6/11 10:33 PM, "Evan Meaney"<emeaney1 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   so, my point.
>>>>   if glitches depend on specified contexts to function in the moment
>>>>   and if they are functions of re-presentation and curatorial (or
>>>> curator-as-artist)
>>>>   intent, then any critical work about a glitch is really critiquing the
>>>> context and
>>>>   the curator, and not the glitch itself.
>>>>
>>>>   tl:dr - we appropriate glitches to our own purposes. let's stop pretending
>>>> that they
>>>>   have intrinsic value when we classify them.
>>>>
>>>>   xo.
>>>>   evan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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