[-empyre-] who owns the city? (Istanbul)

[Michel Bauwens]

thanks Ana!

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was there a week only but all ppl I met (Turks everyone) told me they
> felt the "turkization" and the erasing of the Byzantine past, very well
> related in the book "From the Holy Mountain", by William Dalrymple.
> He did a trip between the monasteries in Syria, Palestina and Turkey and
> saw the intentionality of the erasing of all traces of former cultures.
> Did you enter the Hagia Sofia? Crumbling away with zero maintenance...
> Ana
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:
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>> hi Ana, just wondering why you feel 'all the remnants of the past are
>> crumbling away' ? On the contrary, I feel the successive layers of history
>> are very much alive, and also the mixity of the population and the
>> neighborhoods
>> , with so many recent first-generation immigrants from the rural Anatolian
>> countryside, represent quite a mixture of temporalities, etc ... very unlike
>> western europe, where only the buildings remain ... extented families and
>> village cooperative solidarity also remain realities, as far as I could
>> ascertain from speaking with Turkish friends (I gave a lecture to an
>> all-turkish audience yesterday)
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am bit curious about how did the people who travelled to Istanbul for
>>> the first time experienced the city itself, Turkey and all the
>>> contradictions and the multiple layers of meaning residing in this old city
>>> where all the remnants of it's past are crumbling away. As you know many
>>> Turks want to be a part of Europe and join the EC, but many others want keep
>>> the country's isolation.
>>> Ana
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