[-empyre-] who owns the city? (Istanbul)

[Ana Valdés]

Thank you Miche and Andreas for a nice conversation. I did a project called
Crusading where we hosted at -empyre here, (sadly with not so much
discussion and our guests not very participative) and I did a great deal of
research regarding the Crusades and the transformation of Constantinople to
Byzantium and later to Istanbul. I enjoyed the Alexiad, written by Anna
Commeno, the daughter of the emperor Alexis Commeno, the one who asked the
Pope for a Crusade to help him against the Turks and the Arabs.
He didn't know the Crusaders should sack Constantinople some years later...
Ana

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Michel Bauwens
<michel at p2pfoundation.net>wrote:

> thanks Ana!
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was there a week only but all ppl I met (Turks everyone) told me they
>> felt the "turkization" and the erasing of the Byzantine past, very well
>> related in the book "From the Holy Mountain", by William Dalrymple.
>> He did a trip between the monasteries in Syria, Palestina and Turkey and
>> saw the intentionality of the erasing of all traces of former cultures.
>> Did you enter the Hagia Sofia? Crumbling away with zero maintenance...
>> Ana
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> hi Ana, just wondering why you feel 'all the remnants of the past are
>>> crumbling away' ? On the contrary, I feel the successive layers of history
>>> are very much alive, and also the mixity of the population and the
>>> neighborhoods
>>> , with so many recent first-generation immigrants from the rural
>>> Anatolian countryside, represent quite a mixture of temporalities, etc ...
>>> very unlike western europe, where only the buildings remain ... extented
>>> families and village cooperative solidarity also remain realities, as far as
>>> I could ascertain from speaking with Turkish friends (I gave a lecture to an
>>> all-turkish audience yesterday)
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am bit curious about how did the people who travelled to Istanbul for
>>>> the first time experienced the city itself, Turkey and all the
>>>> contradictions and the multiple layers of meaning residing in this old city
>>>> where all the remnants of it's past are crumbling away. As you know many
>>>> Turks want to be a part of Europe and join the EC, but many others want keep
>>>> the country's isolation.
>>>> Ana
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