[-empyre-] whose "our systems" & body weather

[Johannes Birringer]

Simon, I realize you were teasing me, but what if it were not funny?

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Yes - I'm saying we are the dispositif, the system. We are that, we are defined by that - we become what we are through that.
But the dispositif is multi-modal. It is all about how we exist in our relations - our relations with things, systems, technologies, other people, the planet, etc. These are specific to the individual, and of course culturally conditioned (culture is part of the dispositif), but many elements are shared.
If your system is a shambles then it's no surprise that everybody else's is too :)
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well I hope that my shambles, or my slower or broken movement, won't have dire consequences for anyone. 
I tend not to believe we are "always already virtual" (as Alan Sondheim suggests), not do I identify with the dispositif or assemblage
or what John has called the techno-social system (TSS). I am often incorporated, I agree, and Sue and also Susan Kozel, and Alan also, have both
briefly mentioned the hijacking of our data or "signatures", but I doubt anyone hijacked my movement or my behavior when I am asked to perform
to the TSS --- my reference, Simon, was mostly derived from my experience (described in the EMPAC blog) of the interactve installations that were
built in that lab context and lab duration,  interactive, responsive and reactive environments that were called "systems" by everyone, and - 
now on to Sue:  

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 In 'Crosstalk' where we specifically make no distinction between human and machine in the system, my experience of making and performing it is of being-the-system, rather than being 'in' the system. (Referring back to Johannes question to Simon - <are you saying "we" are / become the dispositif?  I always assumed I was merely attendant to the technical assemblages “>) I used to feel that alienation, but these days i'm really not able to differentiate 'me' in the assemblage, whether in a specialised technical environment or everyday life.>

I tend to think (and am skeptical of course about "authentic movement" although I admire your work on breath, Sue) that as a social animal I learn, once i enter the environment, how to cope with it or how it copes with me or others next to me
(the group), but "I" am not the system, and it does not belong to me, nor do I feel alienated from environments, floods, storms and freezes or other energies. (and sadly, i have not avatars; well, once i had one, in Second Life, but it got neglected and then i forgot it, its loss barely noticed).

regards
Johannes Birringer