[-empyre-] aslemeur, experimental 3D image, Moscow, July 2015

[Murat Nemet-Nejat]

Hi Christina,

What is the point of art if it "doesn't contaminate the general pool"?

Ciao,
Murat

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Horea Avram <horea.avram at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Hi Murat,
>
> Your point is very interesting, indeed.
> (Inter)subjectivity of the machines as a way to transgress the logical
> systems (of the machines and of our own).
>
> And thanks for the reading suggestions!
>
> H
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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>> Hi Horea,
>>
>> Actually, we are agreeing. The human (in this instance the artist's)
>> inability to control the medium (which the human mind may project as a
>> failure of the machine} is exactly what is liberating. With no conscious
>> will or intention of the user, it enables the user to transgress the
>> logical system, exigencies the machines creates around itself. In one
>> sense, the machine "makes a mistakes." In another sense, the machine has
>> abilities beyond the human ones.
>>
>> I talk in detail about the importance of the "inefficiences" of the
>> technological medium in the creation of art discussing 19th century
>> photographic light in my book *The Peripheral Space of Photography (Los
>> Angeles: *Green Integer, 2004*).* In an earlier discussion a few months
>> ago here, I referred to an interview with the film maker Renoir where he
>> talks about the importance of defects in technology in fil (and art in
>> general). The interview is on utube.
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Murat
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Horea Avram <horea.avram at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Hi Murat and Anne-Sarah,
>>>
>>> I also believe that it is crucial to define what a "mistake" might be in
>>> the context of machines or dispositifs.
>>> Is the "technological being" (i.e. the machine/dispositif) able to make
>>> mistakes? Or mistakes are entirely human being's responsibility?
>>>
>>> I think mistakes are not liberation from machines (and here I disagree
>>> with Murat), but they are intrinsic part of the machines.
>>> And by mistakes I mean those technical shortcomings and imperfections in
>>> the interaction process, those delays in what should be a real-time system,
>>> those real-virtual registration and superimposition errors, especially in
>>> Augmented Reality and ubiquitous computing devices and applications, etc.
>>> These "mistakes", as I see them, not only permit the system function (of
>>> course within an estimated and acceptable error range), but they can be
>>> seen as a distinctive aesthetic aspect of the technological medium
>>> (whatever that is). These flaws can be assumed (especially in artistic
>>> projects) as the artist's "trace," or as the tool's "stroke" that can
>>> reflect the attributes of the medium(s), the unique play between the
>>> accuracy of the machine and our subjective actions, between the
>>> transparency of the medium and its reflexive strategy (the flawless machine
>>> vs. the subjective, "emotional" machine).
>>> Isn't this an aspect of the intersubjectivity human-machine/dispositif?
>>>
>>>
>>> Horea
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:27 PM, <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Hi Murat
>>>>
>>>> so people here are reading extra messages... with links !
>>>> good to know !!
>>>>
>>>> thank you for your note.
>>>> I guess I have to define what is a 'mistake' :
>>>> mistake in my understanding of how to program my interactive rules ?
>>>> and more seemingly mistake in the eyes of the viewer...
>>>> when the logic seems not logical 'enough'...
>>>>
>>>> I will read Cocteau again...
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice week,
>>>>
>>>> Anne-Sarah
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" <muratnn at gmail.com>
>>>> À: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Envoyé: Samedi 11 Juillet 2015 23:21:38
>>>> Objet: Re: [-empyre-] aslemeur, experimental 3D image, Moscow, July 2015
>>>>
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>>>> Hi Anne-Sarah,
>>>>
>>>> Mistakes are liberation from machines. If you can make a machine make a
>>>> mistake, it seems you are liberating yourself from it-- as Cocteau's
>>>> infernal machine implies.
>>>> Ciao,
>>>> Murat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:07 AM, <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
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