[-empyre-] Welcome to May: Boredom: Labor, Use and Time

Fri May 15 02:18:34 AEST 2015

Ben, on a high level of abstraction doesn't "prediction" become synonymous
with definition. For instance, the involvement of sex in a pornographic
movie is not "on a high level confidence" (i.e. a prediction to be proved
empirically), but absolute (a priori, part of the definition of what a
pornographic film. Can a film be pornographic with a sex scene? Of course,
on a higher level, if we can also include violence in our definition of
pornography for example, it can.

My question is in what ways, if any, if your predictions are empirical and
not purely deductive?

I do believe, though it is not clear to me yet how, boredom, pleasure *and
obsession* may have subtle interactions where deductive/mechanical
prediction plays a significant part. In obsession the mechanical
(predictable) repetition of the same act can be both boring and predictable.

Ciao,
Murat

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:07 PM, B. Bogart <ben at ekran.org> wrote:

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> Hello Murat,
>
> From my introductory reply to John's initial message on this topic:
>
> > I would like to close with one final concept, the notion of abstraction
> > in predictions. I would define an abstraction as a representation where
> > the those features that are common across a category are emphasized over
> > features that emphasize the individual. Predictions operate at a
> > particular level of abstraction.
>
> In retrospect the label "description" would have been better than
> "representation".
>
> One could predict (with a very high level of confidence) that a
> pornographic film is likely to involve sex scenes. Here "sex" is a very
> high level abstraction that refers to a very broad category. As we use
> descriptions with less abstraction, the reference becomes more specific
> and less oriented to the whole category; for example, 'fellatio'. As we
> get less abstract, we can be less confident about the prediction because
> it's more specific to particular scenarios.
>
> As we continue to get less abstract (more concrete) we eventually end up
> with a highly detailed description that could approach a unique scene in
> a single pornographic film; for example, 'a man in his 30s with stubble,
> dark hair and green eyes with a lip ring on his left side containing a
> red captive bead with performs fellatio on...'. In such a case the
> prediction can be quite tenuous due to the degree of specificity.
>
> As we are unlikely to create highly detailed descriptions of future
> events, our ability to predict is dependent on abstraction. Such
> abstractions give us a sense of the constraints on what is likely to
> happen, without knowing exactly what will happen.
>
> I hope that is more clear.
>
> B.
>
>
> On 15-05-13 12:51 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > "At a high level of abstraction everything is
> > predictable."
> >
> > Ben, could you clarify what the above sentence means? What is "a level
> > of abstraction"? How does it relate to prediction?
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Murat
> >
> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:06 PM, B. Bogart <ben at ekran.org
> > <mailto:ben at ekran.org>> wrote:
> >
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> >     Thanks for jumping in Lyn!
> >
> >     You write: "...in anticipation, it requires a moment where
> expectation
> >     of an event is delayed beyond our expectations."
> >
> >     In the framework I'm thinking through in this discussion (where
> boredom
> >     is the state when the external world appears to match our predictions
> >     and offers no surprise, at some level of description and arousal is
> the
> >     state where the external world violates our predictions) then it
> seems
> >     anticipation is a prediction where the predicted event is desired.
> >
> >     The notion of delay is interesting here. We continue to expect the
> event
> >     to occur, but it does not (immediately) and yet we continue to expect
> >     it. It seems anticipation is an edge between perceiving signals
> >     indicating our prediction is correct, and yet does not immediately
> >     materialize. There also seems to be some degree of abstraction
> involved
> >     here, not just expecting that an event will occur, but that it will
> >     occur within a particular period of time.
> >
> >     I would expect that focusing away from the signals that reinforce our
> >     prediction (mind wandering during anticipation) would reduce the
> >     investment in the desired event. I think anticipation then would
> depend
> >     on continuously expecting and fantasizing the desired event.
> >
> >     I'd like to get a little deeper into this idea of lack and boredom.
> In
> >     the framework above, boredom is independent of the value we attach to
> >     events that occur or not. We are bored when we are simply not
> >     experiencing anything beyond our expectations. Perhaps lack is
> related
> >     to abstraction. At a high level of abstraction everything is
> >     predictable, while a low level of abstraction makes everything novel
> and
> >     unpredictable. It seems we could think of lack as a shift towards
> higher
> >     level abstractions where more and more becomes predictable because of
> >     the lack of attention to details.
> >
> >     Later you write:
> >     > meditation sometimes is applied to overcome need, to overcome lack,
> >     > to overcome desire. (In buddhism, desire is linked to the root of
> all
> >     > suffering). If we were to apply meditative practices as an antidote
> >     > to boredom, we find a different problem, particularly as boredom
> is a
> >     > primary obstacle in overcoming itself. I think if this very
> >     > abstractly as a lack cycle.
> >
> >     I can see how meditation removes the values we attach to events,
> >     thoughts, etc. but if we consider boredom as a state where reality
> and
> >     exceptions agree, then it seems meditation would be an acceptance,
> >     rather than 'antidote' to boredom. How would you define boredom?
> >
> >     I can imagine that meditative focus on self-control and detachment to
> >     predictions could be an antidote to lack. This could be manifest by
> >     shifting the level of abstraction in other other direction; moving
> >     attention to smaller and smaller details that emphasize the
> uniqueness
> >     of each moment and each individual.
> >
> >     Lyn, could you elaborate on this notion of a "lack cycle"?
> >
> >     Thanks again Lyn; I really appreciate your comments, and I think this
> >     link with meditation brings the discussion to some interesting
> >     territory.
> >
> >     Ben
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