[-empyre-] Artwork #1: Benjamin Orlow: The Ticket That Exploded

[Murat Nemet-Nejat]

Hi Daniel,

"For me the most 'utopian' experience I have as an art viewer is the one
where I am manipulated into seeing new relationships between forms,
materials, categories, languages, etc. And hopefully in ways that trickle
(directly or not) into my understanding of the mechanics of some part of
culture or society. Hopefully defamiliarizing my relation to what it means
to communicate, create, and participate in the social world around me. In
my art-viewing (or anything-viewing) experience, this is the broadest
possible meaning of the political.


Just the act of presenting something as an artwork (a stone, a found video,
a painting) "

If what you are saying is the ideal way of regarding art, then each work of
art can have only one meaning, one way of being experienced, the way the
artist has manipulated it. That obviously is not so. That is a sterile way
of approaching art.

Ciao,
Murat

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Lichtman <danielp73 at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> thank you for your response murat!!
>
> For me the most 'utopian' experience I have as an art viewer is the one
> where I am manipulated into seeing new relationships between forms,
> materials, categories, languages, etc. And hopefully in ways that trickle
> (directly or not) into my understanding of the mechanics of some part of
> culture or society. Hopefully defamiliarizing my relation to what it means
> to communicate, create, and participate in the social world around me. In
> my art-viewing (or anything-viewing) experience, this is the broadest
> possible meaning of the political.
>
>
> Just the act of presenting something as an artwork (a stone, a found
> video, a painting)
>
> I often think of the experience of looking at artwork to be centered
> around manipulation.
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:08 PM Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> A found tape also was manipulated when it was made. When we make a
>> sentence, we manipulate words. To make a word we manipulate sounds. Film,
>> video, photography are language. Languages occur through manipulation. For
>> instance, we don't know what stones are saying, feeling, thinking (or if
>> they are doing any of this) because we do not experience *their* manipulation.
>> It is extremely passive --a state you seem to find utopian. Lack of
>> manipulation by one does not liberate that person or animal or thing from
>> manipulation, just makes it susceptible to manipulation by others. In my
>> view, what is more crucial, an awareness, watchfulness of who is doing the
>> manipulation, the processes by which it comes about (in a film or a
>> photograph or a piece of art or in a politician or in a discussion like
>> here) and make sure that every/multiple forces can enter it. In other
>> words, in my view, what is crucial, realistically utopian,so to speak, is
>> to prevent manipulation to create closed systems.
>>
>> Ciao,
>> Murat
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Aviva Rahmani <ghostnets at ghostnets.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Nude Alpine hikers actually sounds very Swiss.
>>>
>>> Aviva Rahmani, PhD
>>> Follow my work: https://d.rip/aviva
>>> www.ghostnets at ghostnets.com <http://www.ghostnets@ghostnets.com>
>>> Watch ³Blued Trees²:  https://vimeo.com/135290635
>>> www.gulftogulf.org <http://www.gulftogulf.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/8/18, 9:52 PM, "Daniel Lichtman" <danielp73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
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