[-empyre-] Artwork #1: Benjamin Orlow: The Ticket That Exploded

[Daniel Lichtman]

Hi Murat,
It'd be really interesting to hear your response to some of the artworks!

Best,
Dan

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 11:51 AM Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> Hi Daniel,
>
> "For me the most 'utopian' experience I have as an art viewer is the one
> where I am manipulated into seeing new relationships between forms,
> materials, categories, languages, etc. And hopefully in ways that trickle
> (directly or not) into my understanding of the mechanics of some part of
> culture or society. Hopefully defamiliarizing my relation to what it means
> to communicate, create, and participate in the social world around me. In
> my art-viewing (or anything-viewing) experience, this is the broadest
> possible meaning of the political.
>
>
> Just the act of presenting something as an artwork (a stone, a found
> video, a painting) "
>
> If what you are saying is the ideal way of regarding art, then each work
> of art can have only one meaning, one way of being experienced, the way the
> artist has manipulated it. That obviously is not so. That is a sterile way
> of approaching art.
>
> Ciao,
> Murat
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Lichtman <danielp73 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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>> thank you for your response murat!!
>>
>> For me the most 'utopian' experience I have as an art viewer is the one
>> where I am manipulated into seeing new relationships between forms,
>> materials, categories, languages, etc. And hopefully in ways that trickle
>> (directly or not) into my understanding of the mechanics of some part of
>> culture or society. Hopefully defamiliarizing my relation to what it means
>> to communicate, create, and participate in the social world around me. In
>> my art-viewing (or anything-viewing) experience, this is the broadest
>> possible meaning of the political.
>>
>>
>> Just the act of presenting something as an artwork (a stone, a found
>> video, a painting)
>>
>> I often think of the experience of looking at artwork to be centered
>> around manipulation.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:08 PM Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> A found tape also was manipulated when it was made. When we make a
>>> sentence, we manipulate words. To make a word we manipulate sounds. Film,
>>> video, photography are language. Languages occur through manipulation. For
>>> instance, we don't know what stones are saying, feeling, thinking (or if
>>> they are doing any of this) because we do not experience *their* manipulation.
>>> It is extremely passive --a state you seem to find utopian. Lack of
>>> manipulation by one does not liberate that person or animal or thing from
>>> manipulation, just makes it susceptible to manipulation by others. In my
>>> view, what is more crucial, an awareness, watchfulness of who is doing the
>>> manipulation, the processes by which it comes about (in a film or a
>>> photograph or a piece of art or in a politician or in a discussion like
>>> here) and make sure that every/multiple forces can enter it. In other
>>> words, in my view, what is crucial, realistically utopian,so to speak, is
>>> to prevent manipulation to create closed systems.
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Murat
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Aviva Rahmani <ghostnets at ghostnets.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Nude Alpine hikers actually sounds very Swiss.
>>>>
>>>> Aviva Rahmani, PhD
>>>> Follow my work: https://d.rip/aviva
>>>> www.ghostnets at ghostnets.com <http://www.ghostnets@ghostnets.com>
>>>> Watch ³Blued Trees²:  https://vimeo.com/135290635
>>>> www.gulftogulf.org <http://www.gulftogulf.org/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/8/18, 9:52 PM, "Daniel Lichtman" <danielp73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
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