[-empyre-] invasive species

John Jordan artactivism at gn.apc.org
Thu Jun 14 04:40:23 AEST 2018 

When i hear the words 

> humans are like an infection.

I reach for my gun, and prepare for fascism….because this opens the door for culling the human race, for murder of others and for hating ourselves…..how will we ever build a revolutionary transformation of our worlds if we hate ourselves !!! 

Its such a dangerous thought, the problem of ecology is NOT humans.

The problem is a small amount of humans maybe 15 % at most  (the rich, the elites, the hyper consumer classes - mostly in the north of the world) who are forced by a SYSTEM - industrial capitalism to consume, to destroy, to commodify life  !! 

INDUSTRIAL CAPITALISM IS AN INFECTION 

When i hear the words 

WILD

I reach for the bacteria in my gut and realise its a fantasy

Most anthropology shows us that the notion of WILD is a totally western concept… most of our human time on this planet - remember 98.9 percent of our time on this planet we were hunter gatherers - we did not separate nature from the  human, and we did not have a notion of nature as different or pure or outside of us. Most forest peoples gardened the forest, the western eye came and saw wild untouched forest, the locals knew the territory, modified it and helped it become more abundant for them…. 

love and rage JJ






> On 13 Jun 2018, at 18:19, Julien Ottavi <julien at apo33.org> wrote:
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> humans are like an infection.
> Even the concept of nature is wrong and the forest where we found lots of fungus is made up by humans. The wild forest before is used to be reculated by humans where much more wild and what we could nature used to be wild for humans.
> Whats is the problem with infected humans with fungus? Why are we so attracted to used mycelium? what art have to say to this domain? what artists have to bring to the debate in the mycelium research to save the planet or to change the course of the destruction of our world?
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> more questions could be raised on this matter but here few of them.
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> cheers
> Julien
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> De: Elaine Gan <eganuc at gmail.com <mailto:eganuc at gmail.com>>
> Envoyé: mercredi 13 juin 2018 17:21
> À: soft_skinned_space
> Objet: Re: [-empyre-] invasive species
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> such an important conversation. thanks!
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> I work with plants and fungi. Which particular species, spores, seeds matters a lot. Regardless of what names “we” (moderns, elites) choose, things act and react, travel, etc. So if one really needs to spread spores to make symbolic statements, one might be meticulous and careful about which spores, which material effects. Fungal blasts, blights destroy fields, forests, plantations, etc. Others rebuild them. Mycorrhizals are not necessarily good. Saprobes are not necessarily bad. We know little about them. but we can at least try to be specific about what to use. 
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> I hope that as interdisciplinary artists-scientists, we might try to figure out small, grounded ways of really listening to these materialities anew, to figure out how they act in the world —instead of assuming that these are already known, or that they are ours to play with. 
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> Elaine
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> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:50 AM John Jordan <artactivism at gn.apc.org <mailto:artactivism at gn.apc.org>> wrote:
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> This article has some interesting sections about the Nazi mix of invasive species discourse and its policies of purity
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> Confronting introduced species: a form of xenophobia ?
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> http://fwf.ag.utk.edu/mgray/wfs560/biological_invasions.pdf <http://fwf.ag.utk.edu/mgray/wfs560/biological_invasions.pdf>
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>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 08:58, Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com <mailto:bhcontinentaldrift at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Greets John! Greets Shu Lea! 
>> Invasive species is a terrible term, for sure, but zebra and quagga mussels have turned Lake Michigan a beautiful pure almost Aryan blue, and they've basically wiped out almost all other life in the lake... They were brought in the bilge water of freighters coming from the Black Sea, as quite a few others have been; and though it would be relatively easy to transfer the cargo of these ships to trains before they ever get to the Great Lakes, nothing is done, apparently because the US and Canada are so proud of engineering the locks of St Lawrence Seaway. Or maybe it's just because the state only thinks in terms of money, production and trade, and not of beings and balances and histories and futures. I guess the main thing is to be aware of the consequences of what one does, and of what powerful forces in out societies do, and to struggle not for purity or even Nature, but for more vital and viable tomorrows all around.
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>> Thanks to everyone for this thread and the whole series, it's beautiful, Brian
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>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com <mailto:sondheim at panix.com>> wrote:
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>> I think you're referring to Lorenz possibly? But the answer begs the question in a sense; I'd rather start from an in-depth knowledge of a landscape/biome, rather than aryan purity.
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>> - Alan
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>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, John Jordan wrote:
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